5960X OC software/hardware quandry

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Greetings, I have a couple of questions regarding software and hardware overclocking of the 5690X that I can't find answered anywhere.. (I may have a hard time finding a way to ask the question properly, please bear with me..)

(my system: 5960X, ASUS X99-A USB3, Noctua NH-D15, TitanX video card, Intel 750 Series NVMe 3.0 boot drive and a 2TB RAID1 setup)

When using AI Suite3 to overclock at 4.4 GHz, CPUID shows my CPU at 1.2 GHz at idle and when using single core applications. But when all 8 cores kick in, it revs up to 4.4 GHZ on all cores with 70'C temps. Unfortunately, this slow single core speed is not what I need.

Can AI Suite 3 up that idle core speed? If so, how?

If I were to try overclocking via BIOS, does that over clock speed remain constant regardless of what applications are being run?
 
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If you stick with the AI overclock you can probably leave the XMP profile disabled. When I ran the software it disabled my XMP profile and overclocked the memory further.

As far as voltage goes the CPU VID is the value to look at and it looks like it has it set to 1.3v which is safe and might even bit a bit more than you need since the software probably adds a bit for stability.

Here is a rather simple guide that doesn't shoot for extreme voltages or frequencies. It uses an Asus bios but it doesn't look anything like the bios on my x99 sabertooth: http://rog.asus.com/365052014/overclocking/rog-overclocking-guide-core-for-5960x-5930k-5820k/

Now that you have the single core performance sorted the software overclock might be all you...
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Thank you for the info.

By OC via BIOS, if I am able to hold a 4.4 GHz speed at 70'C when all 8 cored are revved up during editing work, am I still able to scale it down for less intensive tasks are at hand, or will it always be keep at 4.4 GHz? As mentioned before, I've not tried OC via BIOS before so it does make me nervous. Though AI3 will let the system OC at 4.8 GHz with under 80'C temps, I'm comfortable with the 4.4 GHz area.

My 990X system had an ASUS software that permitted you to select various OC requirements, depending on the need. I don't seem to be able to do that with this new environment.
 
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What voltage does the AISuite use to hit 4.8? From what I had read 1.3v is the max voltage for a daily used system so I stuck with that.

 
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It showed 1.3v for 4.8 GHz OC but I wasn't too comfortable with that.
At 4.4 GHz it's showing 1.2v at idle with 27'C temps on the Noctua DH15 air cooler.. running at 50% speed.. (silent wow)

My main issue is that the system resides in the 1.2 GHz speed when doing single processor work which I find tediously slow.. My unfamiliarity with OC'ing leaves me stuck at how to get this CPU to run normal at 3.0 Ghz and OC at 4.4 GHz..

I did find an article which showed that within the BIOS (advanced?) that there was an option to select the low cpu speed. But I can't find anything that says if this is safe to bring it up to 3.0 GHz without having to change anything else.

Is it as simple as going into the BIOS and simply selecting a higher 'low speed' for the CPU?

Cheers
 
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I will have to look at my bios and see what it says but I have not noticed my single core performance lacking. They idle low but I have seen a single core jump to 4.4 while the others stay at 1500.


 
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I didn't see the low cpu setting in bios but I was able to verify that I get full speed on one or two cores while the rest idle. You might want to restore your bios settings to default and overclock yourself since the AI suite might have made changes that are causing the issue. I only had to change three settings in bios to get a stable overclock. I set my memory profile to XMP to get 2800 advertised speed, which automatically changed by CPU strap speed from 100 to 125. Next I set my cpu core ratio to 35 (this will be a different number since I have a 5930k). Last step was to set the voltage, I am using 1.28v and obviously lower is better if you are still stable. I wouldn't go past 1.3v and you shouldn't need to for 4.4ghz.
 
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Gess, I wish I could have remembered where I had seen that information. I recall it being for an ASUS x99 board and about the 5960X cpu. I had a look through BIOS as well and couldn't find it either..

This XMP thing.. in my BIOS it is 'disabled'.. You suggest enabling it, does it matter at all what kind of memory is installed in the system? I tried reading up on it but got lost in the numbers..

But I later came across something that earned a second look, Windows Power Settings. Turns out mine was set at "balanced".. Once I changed it to "High Performance", then I see my single core applications running at higher than 1.2 GHz. And the temps remain down around 28'C. When I kick up all 8 cores at 100% 4.4 GHz it's showing temps in the low 70'C range.. and running stable.

Not sure which voltage I should be looking at though, CPUIHWM shows +12V as 12.192v Max while I see later below on the list as the CPU VID ax at 1.313 and the IA at 1.331v ? I have no idea what these mean.. good or bad?

I have searched for a tutorial on how to manually OC this CPU with the ASUS x99-A (usb3.1) motherboard, but those that I have found were complicated and I couldn't follow through exactly what they were trying to convey.

Would you be able to suggest a simple man's guide to manual overclocking this setup (dummie's guide would be more akin to what I need...)

However, with the AI3 software overclock at 4.4 GHz and now faster idle speed, I think this might work out the way I have it set up now..

Keep in mind that for the folks out there who have been overclocking for year and can do it in their sleep, this is all scary mumbo-jumbo stuff to the common folk..

Thanks again for the info, much appreciated.

 
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If you stick with the AI overclock you can probably leave the XMP profile disabled. When I ran the software it disabled my XMP profile and overclocked the memory further.

As far as voltage goes the CPU VID is the value to look at and it looks like it has it set to 1.3v which is safe and might even bit a bit more than you need since the software probably adds a bit for stability.

Here is a rather simple guide that doesn't shoot for extreme voltages or frequencies. It uses an Asus bios but it doesn't look anything like the bios on my x99 sabertooth: http://rog.asus.com/365052014/overclocking/rog-overclocking-guide-core-for-5960x-5930k-5820k/

Now that you have the single core performance sorted the software overclock might be all you need. You are at the speed you wanted and the voltage and temps are under control so not much use in changing anything.



 
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Many thanks for your help understanding this better.. Starting to make more sense in regards to what a manual OC does compared to the software.

And everything runs that much better now. Oddly enough it's brought down the over all temps down by 10'C when all 8 cores are rocking at 4.4 GHz.

As a note, the Noctua DH-15 big block air cooler is rather impressive. I have it set at 100% all the time to keep the cpu cooled down and it's quiet at 50db compared to my 990X cooler running at 100% for around 68db (iphone db app), so it all works for me.

Cheers and thanks again for taking the time to help out.
 
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