How to get a PC with a good video card (R9 390), a mediocre processor (AMD FX-4100), and a bad motherboard ready for Fallout 4

jcmack13

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So I got a new video card (XFX Double Dissipation R9 390) and a new processor (AMD FX-8350) in anticipation of Fallout 4, but it turns out the motherboard of the prebuilt I got three years ago (Gigabyte GA-M68T-S2 rev 3.1) is not a great one and can't handle that processor, so that processor got returned and now I'm left with my AMD FX-4100 at 3.6Ghz. I looked into a lesser processor upgrade, like the FX-6300, but it looks like that processor is not supported by this motherboard either (see here and it's not on the approved CPU list of that motherboard either) and the motherboard is also notoriously bad for overclocking. Not that that's a route I'd immediately go for though, I'm new to building and upgrading and have never overclocked anything or in fact done anything more complicated than replace a blown PSU.

So in the meantime even though I know I have a good GPU and a fair-to-bad everything else, I'm still not really getting the performance I expected. In Borderlands 2 I get 18-29 fps during combat, but even though I expected some CPU bottlenecking, when I run MSI Afterburner in the background during play (is this a reasonable way to benchmark your system? I'm one or two days and about two dozen Google searches into all of this, so still very new) I notice that none of the CPU cores get above 80% utilization during those stretches. If the CPU is a bottleneck, shouldn't it be running at 100% for extended stretches?

So here are my options as I see them:

1) There's some combination of settings I need to adjust because I'm not getting the most out of my current hardware, both the good and the bad. Maybe there's some way to better utilize the GPU over the CPU. I feel like the R9 390 should be giving me a bigger boost than I'm seeing. Skyrim runs at about 35-45 fps, that doesn't seem much better than my old card (AMD Radeon HD 6670). Is this possible? Are there tweaks I'm missing?

2) Get a new motherboard and processor. After the new video card, I still have about $400-$450 in my budget for upgrades. This daunts me a little on a technical level, though. I've never replaced a processor before, let alone a motherboard and processor. And wouldn't I need to install an OS? I've never installed or re-installed an OS before either. I currently have Win7 64 bit, eligible for a free upgrade to Windows 10 but I haven't done it yet. If I upgrade to Windows 10, could I migrate my copy over to a new board, or would I need to buy a fresh copy?
Also, should I stick with AMD CPUs since I have an AMD videocard, or does that not really matter?
I'd be willing to try this upgrade if I could be pointed in the right direction, I think. Tutorials and Youtube videos and such.

3) Save my nickels, see how Fallout 4 runs on my machine, and maybe build a new computer from scratch (which I've also never done, but somehow seems easier than fiddling with my current Frankensystem) on Black Friday or Christmas sales or something, put my old video card back in this machine and use it as a secondary HTPC or something.

So what do you think? I know I have a lot of questions. Just pointing me in the right direction to learn though would be helpful.

Thanks!
 

jcmack13

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I forgot to include my full specs:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-M68T-S2 rev 3.1
CPU: AMD FX-4100 Quadcore @ 3.6 Ghz
GPU: XFX Double Dissipation R9 390
RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1333Mhz
HD: Western Digital 500Gb WD5000AAKX-001CA
PSU: Thermaltake TR2 TR-600 600W ATX12V v2.3

Primary display: Optoma HD141X 1080p Projector @ 1920x1080
Secondary display: HP w2338h 23" @ 1920x1080
 
You are going to need a new power supply as well . Staying in your budget

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120V 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $316.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-06 02:59 EST-0500

Build a pc is very easy . All you need is a screwdriver and a healthy respect for the components you handle
 

jcmack13

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For sake of education, what about something like this? Does it matter if I go Intel vs AMD?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $442.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-06 13:04 EST-0500

Can I skip the liquid cooling? A lot of this is going to be new to me, I don't necessarily need to learn about aftermarket liquid cooling in addition to installing a motherboard for the first time and OS for the first time. Should I even get a non-stock cooling fan? I'm not going to try overclocking right away, should I use the stock fan until I'm ready to learn about overclocking?

And what about Windows? Will I be able to use my current copy of Windows 7 or Windows 10, or do I need to buy a new one? Is there a good guide for first timer installing an OS?

 

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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=phenom+II+95W&rh=n%3A541966%2Ck%3Aphenom+II+95W

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-II-1055T-HDT55TWFK6DGR/dp/B00QWDZR20/ref=sr_1_36?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447175343&sr=1-36&keywords=phenom+II+95W

$99.95 AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 GHz Six Core CPU Processor HDT55TWFK6DGR AM3 95W

The PhenomII x6 is closer to the FX-6300 that you wanted to upgrade to and for most games it's faster than your FX-4100. They are totally different cpus, the PhenomII x6 is basically a 6 core Athlon64 or Opteron64 and the FX-4100 is a totally different cpu.

You will have to look up gaming benchmarks. The newer FX-4370 is a bit faster but should be a good comparison.
Many games have better multi-thread support now than when the PhenomII x6 was new. So it does better today than it did when it was new. Also many games were patched and now run faster on it.



 

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You really want a new motherboard and cpu and at least 8gb of ram. The fx8320 is fine, as is an i5 ivy bridge or newer. Games are starting to hugely support multithreading. Honestly, I would save up a little more, spend five hundred on the rest of your computer. Don't spend more than 120 on the motherboard, or more than fifty on memory. You could conceivably get a nice proc for 110, a board for seventy, memory for 50, fifty for a 700w psu , and a nice case for fifty. Chintimin@gmail.com if you need help