Replacing a GTX 580 on a 4 year 7 month old computer, suggestions please.

buzznjackal · Nov 8, 2015

So three days before the biggest game release (Fallout 4) and my ASUS GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) ENGTX580 takes a dive. Starting up a game the computer froze up and would not respond, black screen. Hard boot, reboot, start up a game again, same thing, this time computer reboots on its own and can't load Windows. I can go into Safe Mode but not Windows. I did many rule out test to confirm it was the video card such as checked the PSU voltages, did a fresh Windows install, ran memory tests, hard drive tests, ruled everything out except the mobo and video card. Luckily I had an old 9600 GSO laying around and was able to boot to that fine. So, what do I do? I want to run the game but maybe not spend too much considering the age of the computer its going on. Was thinking of a GTX 960. Suggestions please.

Windows 8.1 x64
ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 BIOS 3602
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (Stock Speed)
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
ASUS ENGTX580 GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536M
HT Omega Claro Plus
CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W

Addendum: I've read that PCI Express 3.0 cards will work on PCI Express 2.0 slots with little performance loss, just want to double check this is true in choosing a new card.

stl522013 · Nov 8, 2015

buzznjackal :

So three days before the biggest game release (Fallout 4) and my ASUS GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) ENGTX580 takes a dive. Starting up a game the computer froze up and would not respond, black screen. Hard boot, reboot, start up a game again, same thing, this time computer reboots on its own and can't load Windows. I can go into Safe Mode but not Windows. I did many rule out test to confirm it was the video card such as checked the PSU voltages, did a fresh Windows install, ran memory tests, hard drive tests, ruled everything out except the mobo and video card. Luckily I had an old 9600 GSO laying around and was able to boot to that fine. So, what do I do? I want to run the game but maybe not spend too much considering the age of the computer its going on. Was thinking of a GTX 960. Suggestions please.

Windows 8.1 x64
ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 BIOS 3602
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (Stock Speed)
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
ASUS ENGTX580 GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536M
HT Omega Claro Plus
CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W

Addendum: I've read that PCI Express 3.0 cards will work on PCI Express 2.0 slots with little performance loss, just want to double check this is true in choosing a new card.

What kind of budget do you have for upgrading?

maxalge · Nov 8, 2015

buzznjackal :

So three days before the biggest game release (Fallout 4) and my ASUS GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) ENGTX580 takes a dive. Starting up a game the computer froze up and would not respond, black screen. Hard boot, reboot, start up a game again, same thing, this time computer reboots on its own and can't load Windows. I can go into Safe Mode but not Windows. I did many rule out test to confirm it was the video card such as checked the PSU voltages, did a fresh Windows install, ran memory tests, hard drive tests, ruled everything out except the mobo and video card. Luckily I had an old 9600 GSO laying around and was able to boot to that fine. So, what do I do? I want to run the game but maybe not spend too much considering the age of the computer its going on. Was thinking of a GTX 960. Suggestions please.

Windows 8.1 x64
ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 BIOS 3602
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (Stock Speed)
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
ASUS ENGTX580 GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536M
HT Omega Claro Plus
CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W

Addendum: I've read that PCI Express 3.0 cards will work on PCI Express 2.0 slots with little performance loss, just want to double check this is true in choosing a new card.

a gtx 960 would be a good choice, equal to a gtx 580.

a gtx 770 would be faster, really it all comes down to how much you want to spend

coozie7 · Nov 8, 2015

No single card out there can use all the power of a PCI-E 2.0 slot, you'll be fine with whatever you choose.

Card choice depends on your budget, a nice i7 like that will easily run a GTX970/R9 390 class of card with NO restrictions, so from a tech point of view they're a viable option...Money, of course is a different matter.

I've seen several posts showing some compatibility issues with those older chipsets, though-particularly the 'Z67'-so I'll suggest you first update the BIOS before installing the new card and that you shop from a supplier with a 'understanding' returns policy.

User3335 · Nov 8, 2015

You can keep the ram, the CPU, the motherboard and the psu but as for the GPU I would go with the gtx 970 from MSI, I have one and it's great.

buzznjackal · Nov 8, 2015

stl522013 :

Well wasn't necessarily locked into a budget, more or less wondering if its wise to spend more than a GTX 960 considering the age of the computer and probable bottle neck considering the dated architecture of the motherboard. According to tomshardware graphics card hierarchy chart the 960 GTX would be on par with GTX 580 and I can get one for about $170 bucks now. What do you think?

Here are the a the Fallout 4 System Requirements Revealed

Bethesda's Minimum System Specifications

OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics: GeForce GTX 550 Ti with 2GB VRAM

Bethesda's Recommended System Specifications

Processor: Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics: GeForce GTX 780 with 3GB VRAM

Addendum: Ok, sorry I posted this before seeing the above two posts, so sounds like a GTX 970 would be best value then.

User3335 · Nov 8, 2015

Also the GTX 970 is faster than the 780. What cooler are you using for your CPU?

maxalge · Nov 8, 2015

buzznjackal :

stl522013 :

Well wasn't necessarily locked into a budget, more or less wondering if its wise to spend more than a GTX 960 considering the age of the computer and probable bottle neck considering the dated architecture of the motherboard. According to tomshardware graphics card hierarchy chart the 960 GTX would be on par with GTX 580 and I can get one for about $170 bucks now. What do you think?

Here are the a the Fallout 4 System Requirements Revealed

Bethesda's Minimum System Specifications

OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics: GeForce GTX 550 Ti with 2GB VRAM

Bethesda's Recommended System Specifications

Processor: Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics: GeForce GTX 780 with 3GB VRAM

your cpu is more than capable of handling any card you want

your mobo only matters insofar as it has a good enough PCIE slot, it does

you could get a gtx 970, -it is stronger than a 780- and not worry about upgrading for a very long time.

A gtx 960 should handle the game well though.

buzznjackal · Nov 8, 2015

User3335 :

Its just air cooled, Zalman CNPS9900MAX-R CPU Cooler

Thanks everyone!

Alex Dorades · Nov 9, 2015

buzznjackal :

New card will bottleneck one way or another. But... It will work as you say... Here are the specs for.

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ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) &#9733&#9733&#9733&#9733&#9733

madmatt30 · Nov 9, 2015

A 2600k will NOT bottleneck a 970 at all.

Pci-express 2 vs pci-express 3 - with a single card setup there is no difference in performance at all.

You'd have to be running a tri or quad card setup to notice any performance loss & even then it would be negligible.

Alex Dorades · Nov 9, 2015

Thats right on the other hand. Trix big cards have bios and will underthrottle. It will not bottleneck in technical term but will work slower than into a PCIe x16 Gen 3 slot.

coozie7 · Nov 9, 2015

There will always be a restriction from one part or another, it's just how the PC gaming cookie crumbles, and a fair number of posters forget the final 'bottleneck' is often the monitor, 120FPS is just a meaningless number if (like most of us mere mortals) your system display is a common 60Hz device.

Your current PCI-E 2.0x16 slot will slow down a GTX970 by a few percent, this shows how it effects the R9 FuryX, but you get the idea: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X_PCI-Express_Scaling/

If you can hold off until the weekend, do so, I think that by then the tech site performance reviews will be in and you'll have some hard numbers to base a decision on.

If you can't wait and can afford it without going to Joes Loan Sharking then go for a GTX 970 class of card: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-review,review-32899-7.html cards of this calibre will play just about anything you throw at them at 1080 rez and max or near max settings smoothly.
If the GTX970 is too rich for your blood (and don't forget Christmas is just around the corner if you celebrate it) you can drop down the performance (and price) scale with the GTX960 class as being good at 1080 rez for medium/high settings.

stl522013 · Nov 9, 2015

If you are going to be getting a GTX 970, just get an R9 390. It is the same rpice, runs the same temps, only uses like 60w more power at full load, and it performs better in most games.

Alex Dorades · Nov 10, 2015

stl522013 :

I dont thing that R9 390 only 60W. At least 275W

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-390-vs-GeForce-GTX-970

Wayfall · Nov 10, 2015

Cpu seems fine for now but I would really recommend a MSI GTX 970 for a new GPU as its the best power for the price right now. I currently have a i5 4460 and that is slightly better than your rather old i7,it is still pretty decent your but may have a very small bottleneck, you'll just have to test it out.

I bet if you just switched out your GPU, got a good quality new PSU with the wattage you want as your old one is probably getting pretty darn tired now then give your pc a spray with a compressed air to get the dust off and then take the cpu cooler off and clean off the old heats sink paste and reapply some new stuff the pc would certainly feel a lot better after all of that.

If you want to get a new CPU go for a nearer i7 a socket up which is actually a socket intel made as a replacement for the socket 1155. Socket 1150 should do you proud but of course a new socket mean a new motherboard.
What about this cpu:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Socket-LGA-1150/dp/B00KPRWAX8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447175034&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+core+1150+i7

Hope my input helps

17seconds · Nov 10, 2015

You can shoot the moon and get whatever video card you like with your i7 processor and an 850 watt PSU.

Since Fallout 4 is your game, be sure to stick with Nvidia cards, which perform better and will allow some additional graphics settings. A GTX 970 is performing as well as a FuryX costing more than twice as much. This chart has some settings dialed down to even out the performance impact on AMD cards.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/fallout_4_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

coozie7 · Nov 10, 2015

Based on what the OP has been saying, the GTX960 would actually fit his needs well. If he turns the settings down even a little, the game will play more than well enough, and a 2Gb card will have enough memory http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=19487

Alex Dorades · Nov 10, 2015

I think these days 2GB VRAM is not enough for games like these. These games loads between 2.5-3.5GB the GPU and i doubt that a single 960 2GB will handle Fallout 4. A R9 290X Lightning 4GB can not perform so good at Ultra 60FPS where is better than a GTX 960. But... A 970 Gaming will run at Ultra 75-85FPS new games fluently.

GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V &#9733&#9733&#9733&#9733&#9734 ($328.99 @ SUPER Biiz)

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This specific GPU have a high OC boost clock, 4GB and official software from MSI for overclocking and management and will oppose all new games with High Graphics and Performance.

Alex Dorades · Nov 29, 2015

coozie7 :

Thats the point... We don't want turn down the graphics any more like the old days where RGB and DVI cable was an expensive graphic quality case. Modern games needs modern computers and thats a call these days.

Replacing a GTX 580 on a 4 year 7 month old computer, suggestions please.

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