Got a job, now for the hard part - Building a PC

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I've had my PC for about 7 years now. It works pretty well, and has been with me since the WoW days. After getting a job now, I'm trying to put together an amazing PC that'll last me forever.

The only experience I've had with PCs, is swapping parts, switching cases, and basic OC'ing and troubleshooting. I bought my first gaming PC off of Ibuypower, now I want to build my own.

Here's what I've got so far:
MONITOR: BenQ XL2720Z 144Hz 1ms 27 inch ($409.00)

CASE: Corsair Graphite Series 780T Full Tower PC Case ($169.99)

CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX ($139.99)

MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII HERO LGA1151 DDR4 M.2 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Type A Type C Intel Z170 ATX Motherboard ($228.99)

CPU: Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K 4.00 GHz 8M Processor Cache 4 LGA 1151 ($459.00)

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GV-N98TG1 6GB GDDR5 980Ti Windforce ($669.99)

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2 80+ GOLD, 850W ECO Mode Fully Modular ($121.11)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz (PC4-24000) C15 Memory Kit ($295.45)

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD ($74.99)

HDrive: WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch ($47.99)

Total: 2616.45~

Are there any outdated products/better choices at the moment? And I'm wondering, should I wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday to procure these parts?
 
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Nothing will last you forever, but if you ask me, the I7-5820K or 2960X are much better off for the far future of gaming than the 6700K. But that would only make a difference once games start using more than 4 or more than 8 cores. Nothing lasts forever. In 3 years your graphics card will probably be a mid end card, and will probably compete only with the $150 cards. It's just how technology moves.

All that aside, I like the build and recommend you stick with it. 32GB RAM really can wait, but if you insist knock yourself out. Only 8-12 is needed for the most intense of games today. You'll also want more storage if you plan on using this a long long time.
 

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Personally what i would change for better price : performance

Case: Fractal Define R5.
Mobo: Unless you are going for very high overclocks an ASUS PRO GAMER motherboard should be more than enough.
PSU: Complete overkill for one GTX 980 Ti. A quality 600W PSU should be more than enough even after all components are overclocked.
I would recommend Antec HCG 620W, Seasonic M12II 620W, EVGA GS 650W, EVGA G2 650W.
RAM: Unless you know you are going above 8 GB of RAM even a 16 GB is a complete overkill. Almost all modern games use 5 GB of RAM at max. However if you know that you need a lot of RAM 16 GB is an excellent option.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1 TB will do the exact same thing for a slightly cheaper price. Same quality and performance.

With the prices cut down but with the exact same performance and quality you should have enough money to get a faster M.2 SSD or simply more storage on the SSD. Or you could opt for better peripherals, etc.
 
going with a water rig for the cpu did you look at mabte the evga hydro cooper ??

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4999-KR

or the hybrid ?? [has been on sale for 689]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487144

then that gigabyte card is one of the lowest rated cards at newegg in the 980ti line at like 49% per review amount ?? hmmmm....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125787

I guess I prefer a item with a high 5 egg review % ???

 

KKAW

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Used Seagate Barracuda for all my builds, used WD Blue for many of my friends builds. All of them have next to equal performance and had no issues with both. Seagate Barracuda is cheaper usually so i stick with that.
 

KKAW

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Interesting, never had any issues. Good point to note.
 

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Wow..I did not know the Windforce Gigabyte 980ti was...that bad. Ive seen many, many of them on most builds, I thought it was the obvious choice. I guess ill have to look at the Asus 980ti.

As for the case, it is a bit on the high end price line, and I could get a case from Fractal, but I prefer the aesthetics of the corsair build more.

If I cut the peripherals(monitor) this build would be close to an even 2200. Ill give the 5th gen CPUs a look, thanks
 

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Well, I know my build isn't going to last forever, I am sort of a PC enthusiast, so I will upgrade my build accordingly over time. Thanks for the input though, I was honestly having a terrible time trying to decide what to get. I was mostly stuck on the RAM. There are hardly any reviews out for most of them, and if there are, they are either 100% 50-50, or just plain 1 egg.
 

KKAW

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Copy pasted from my gpu moderl tier list temporary located here:
http://biomtech.weebly.com/gpu-manufacturermodel-tier-list.html


G1 is high up on the Tier 2 list, it is one of the best consumer grade GPU's. Usually the ones on Tier 1 are for extreme overclocking, best of the best.

GTX 980 Ti
Author's Recommendation: Asus GeForce GTX 980 Ti STRIX OC | EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Classified


Tier 1
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Kingpin
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1203 Mhz / Cooling: ACX 2.0+
Note: Outstanding Quality Components. Outstanding Overclocking. Made For Extreme Overclocking.

MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti Lightning
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1203 Mhz / Cooling: TriFrozr
Note: Outstanding Quality Components. Outstanding Overclocking. Made For Extreme Overclocking.

Asus GeForce GTX 980 Ti STRIX OC
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1216 Mhz / Cooling: Direct CU III
Note: Outstanding Quality Components.

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Classified
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1190 Mhz / Cooling: ACX 2.0+
Note: Outstanding Quality Components. Great Core Overclocking.

Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti Amp! Extreme
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1253 Mhz / Cooling: Triple 90mm IceStorm
Note: Must Register Product 14 Days After Purchase To Receive An Additional Year Of Warranty. Better VRAM Overclocking Than STRIX OC.

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti HYBRID
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1140 Mhz / Cooling: EVGA Hybrid
Note: Hose May Be Shorter Than Expected.

Tier 2

Inno3D GeForce GTX 980 Ti iChill
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1178 Mhz / Cooling: Accelero Hybrid S
Note: Takes Up 3 PCI Slots. Excellent Overclocking.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1190 Mhz / Cooling: WindForce 3X

MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G OC
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1178 Mhz / Cooling: Twin Frozr V
Note: Excellent Cooling.

Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti Amp! Omega
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1178 Mhz / Cooling: Triple 90mm IceStorm
Customer's Warning: Takes Up 3 PCI Slots

Tier 3

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti SuperClocked+
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1102 Mhz / Cooling: ACX 2.0+

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti OC 6GD
Blackplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1102 Mhz / Cooling: WindForce 3X

Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti Amp!
Backplate: Yes / Base Clock: 1051 Mhz / Cooling: Triple 90mm IceStorm

Inno3D GeForce GTX 980 Ti OC
Backplate: N/A / Base Clock: 1038 Mhz / Cooling: HerculeZ X3
 
Solution
In our discrete gaming benchmarks, at 3GHz Skylake actually performs worse than Haswell at an equivalent clockspeed, giving up an average of 1.3% performance.

read results

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/23

really all I see you gain is the use of ddr4 overall everyday use still nothing wrong with haswell and ddr3

so to me its 50/50 and what way to go price is not a big factor between them and most time is nice to go with the latest tech..

[opinion]
 

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@monkey, I'm still running the 2600k Sandy Bridge i7, it has been my best buddy up until now, and is still a beast...I have no doubt the Haswell ones are nice, it's a rather tough choice..

Feeling a little overwhelmed at the amount of help I'm getting. Thanks a whole lot guys. I'll definitely be picking up an EVGA 980Ti, especially since the reviews are coming back much more positive. From what I got here from everyone, I could switch a few more parts around for the performance per cost. Really, I wish I could choose several solutions. I'll no doubt be back, thanks all.
 

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Damn, just did some research. On the 5820k. The memory controllers are different? If I'm buying DDR4 3000MHz 32gb for a CPU that only supports 1333Hz Dual channel, does this defeat the purpose of buying the quad channel kit?
The 6700k only supports up to 1333Mhz, while the 5820k goes up to 2133Mhz.

>Nevermind, looks like everything after the supported rate is NOT supported by the company and is considered OC. I'm guessing if I did buy the RAM, it'd only run on a 1333MHz config until I turn on XMP for OC.
Research helps :( sorry, solving this thread now. thanks again
 
see the 6700 supports ddr3L and ddr4 the 5820 only ddr4 now , the ddr4 is a lower voltage memory so to not ''burn up' the memory controller in the chip is why you can only use the ddr3L at 1.35v

to me if I was to go with a ddr3 set up may as well stick with a haswell but if your sold on going ddr4 then go with skylake .

the ddr4 is now priced so closr to ddr3 prices so its just a matter on what way you want to go - I have not looked at chip or board prices but if its a big savings I just be as happy with a z97 and a haswell refresh for a few more years ??

all opinion

well you chose best answerer and its late I need to get off this thing - ill look back in the am to see whats what here
 

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You see, the problem here is, why is technology so....varied? I've been browsing and compiling the list for the past 3 days, and the variety is products out there astounds me. I first went for the Best Casual Gamer build. None of that hard-core, extreme processing, 100-core processors. I was just looking for a build that worked just for me. A computer that can play most games on ultra, without any hiccups in terms of graphics/FPS.

Do I have any REAL experience with a PC? No. I'm not certified to work on computers if it came down to it, but I know enough to just get me by. BIOS editing, flashing, minor OC, minor troubleshooting, and I can probably put a computer together from parts in a few hours.

Now that's not where the problem is, the problem is: What I Need vs What I Want.

My current system:
i7 2600k 3.4GHz
16 GB Dual Channel DDR3 @798MHz
EVGA E679 Socket 0
3072MB XFX Radeon 970

This system pretty much runs any game on Ultra, with very, very minor hiccups, if any. It's extremely stable, and can run for weeks without being turned off

I'm sure my new system would be flawless, but it's hard to REALLY understand what is exactly going on inside the case.
So I'm going to ask for more help in this thread, sorry if I solved it a bit early. I know information is readily available with a simple google search, but most of it is professional reviews(such as anandtech).

How do I really know how much RAM I really need? I could go absolutely overkill and get the 32gb @ 3000Mhz, but people are telling me I won't need that much, as games won't ever take up more than 5gb. I could downgrade and get 16GB, and I WANT the quad channel support, but the 6700k only has dual channel. So, I give the props to one of the early answers who told me that 32GB of memory is absolutely insane.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2982965/components/quad-channel-ram-vs-dual-channel-ram-the-shocking-truth-about-their-performance.html?page=3

Here's the link to a comparison between Dual/Quad channel.
I could save a whole lot of money by switching to a 16GB Dual channel kit, but I really want all four DIMM slots filled. That mean's I'll need 4x4gb sticks of ram.

I haven't updated my PC in a long time, and every time I come back it's always as daunting as ever. It's an endless sea of computer parts.

I'm going to really try and find an optimized system. So here is an updated list, with more information on what I want to do.

MONITOR: BenQ XL2720Z 144Hz 1ms 27 inch Gaming Monitor with High Resolution
This is my step into the 144hz gaming field, and possibly going into the 2-monitor setup(I do want to be a streamer one day)

CASE: Corsair Graphite Series 780T Full Tower PC Case - White
The case fits my aesthetic needs, space requirements, and make's sure the installation of the cooler is flawless, as it is made by the same company.

CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX Cooling
One of the better coolers, with topnotch warranty coverage for accidental leaks and whatnot.

MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII HERO LGA1151 DDR4 M.2 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Type A Type C Intel Z170 ATX Motherboard
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K 4.00 GHz 8M Processor Cache 4 LGA 1151
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz
Here is where the problem lies. I've heard news that the performance difference is actually not that big. Especially between the the 6700k and the 5820K. The 5820k is a hexacore, 12-thread CPU, which takes advantage of DX12 the more cores there are. Which is why I'm contemplating on even getting the newer 6700k, since the 5820k works in some cases, even better. I have also gone ahead and updated to 16GB of memory, instead of the 32gb.

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 06G-P4-4998-KR 6GB CLASSIFIED GAMING
More stable with higher OC vs FTW

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2 80+ GOLD, 850W ECO Mode Fully Modular
650w is enough, but I plan on trying SLI sometime in the future.

SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD

HDrive: WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD10EZEX


TD;DR: I'm trying to piece together everything after not being caught up on the new generations technology. The new build above is what I pieced together from what I like, and the information the friendly people from here gave me. The prices are still a joke. Many retailers fluctuate the prices, and it's hard to know what is a good deal/isn't a good deal. I'll most likely start ordering the parts as Black Friday get's closer.
 
well don't think all my hardware choices were the best or the right thing . that's all part of it

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 06G-P4-4998-KR 6GB CLASSIFIED GAMING
More stable with higher OC vs FTW

well I beleave the classy only differs from the ftw overall is the classy has a 14 phase vrm and the ftw 8 and size [ftw is smaller for a better case fit ??]

http://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GTX-980-Ti-FTW-m2390942.aspx

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%2050001402%20600565061&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=48%7C14%2D487%2D146%5E14%2D487%2D146%2C14%2D487%2D160%5E14%2D487%2D160&percm=14%2D487%2D146%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B14%2D487%2D160%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24

now for me never asus never again my ''last'' 2 were my last I think there more on hype then quality these days and not the same asus I grew up with .. thig was none were stable out of the box and bios up date after bios up date for system stability .. there board would all ready have 18 bios updates where another brands same board would just have 6 or 10 ?? hmmmm...

from newegg [not nesserly the board you chose just examples of what I said ]

Other Thoughts: I have been a dedicated Asus customer since I built a Pentium III on their TUV4X. Once upon a time, they used to be a reliable board manufacturer. Now, failure seems to be par for the course.

This board has a defective BIOS that Asus cannot figure out how to resolve. I am using the 10th BIOS update released a few days ago, and still my computer fails to post five times before it works.

Cons: Does not work. List of issues may not fit here.
Constant BIOS updates from ASUS trying to get this thing stable.

lots of things said like that from there boards now ??? but maybe the hero will be different ?? overall looking at boards at egg none of them seem to be well rated anyway its like 50/50 regardless of brand [asus issue threads out number anyone's else's by like 20 to 1]

anyway that's just how I see it

WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive -- look at there black drives they carry a 5 year warrantee over the blues 3 sorry 2 year ''Every WD Blue drive is designed, tested and built to last, and ships with a 2-year limited warranty.''

blacks

''Every WD Black drive is backed by an industry leading 5-year limited warranty''

from wd site

ya its like you said so much junk to choose from and can give you a headache looking up and at it all

in the end you decide- buy- put it together, and fire it up.. it will run stable and as you expect it to or it will not and that's all there is to it


good luck
 

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http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2600K

What's the percentage difference, yes it gets bigger when you add in the 5820K.
The question is does it really matter for what you are doing every day, right now?

Your computer has lasted forever. 7 years. You even have another step with
your GPU to iron out your glitches.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970-vs--9223372036823111234

You already have 16GB of RAM. The speed difference won't be substantial switching from
one type to another. The total system synergy will only be at tops 25%. For how much
outlay in cash?

A current gen SSD, a new 980 Ti and a really nice monitor would give you far more
bang for the buck. You can buy on sale at your pace. A job doesn't pay off until you
are truly vested in, ie. five years, til then being broke is only a paycheck away. What
about new games? Pizza money?

It is all about what you need versus what you want. Bang for the buck and all that.

Then again DX12 is a game changer, HBM (http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-feautres-hbm-9x-faster-than-gddr5/), Occulus and so on are coming fast, your machine can trundle into this future quite nicely and a full replacement is due when the coming wave crashes into the shore. Save up.