New Wifi Router on Old ADSL Modem/Router

JohnSethKins

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I come cap in hand for some community help.

I have an ADSL service from Movistar. The supplied modem/router/wifi box is the RTA01N.

I wanted to improve the wireless speeds in the house, and specifically access to our NAS, which is where most of our files and media are stored. The solution was to buy a new dual band AC router/wifi box and set up a new wifi network. I purchased an Xiaomi mini wifi.

My plan was to turn off the DHCP server on the old modem, turn on the DHCP server on the new AC router, change the IP address of the new box so they did not clash (old and new both 192.168.1.1 by default), and then connect the old modem to the new with a CAT5e cable, re-boot the lot and have an improved wireless experience.

Unfortunately is hasn't worked out like that!

The new router works great with the clients in the house (NAS, Amazon Fire TV box, phones, tablets, PCs etc), the speed is hugely improved. The problem I have is that I cannot get the internet service to work. I turned off the DHCP service on the existing router, and it still provides internet connectivity, in so much as if I connect the LAN cable from modem into my PC I can connect to the internet, but if I connect the same cable to the new router (WAN or LAN slots, I've tried both) then there is no connectivity to the outside world.

The only way I can get the set-up to work is to turn the DHCP back on in the old box, turn it off on the new box, and use the new box as an AP with the modem cable attached to one of the LAN ports in the new box. This works well enough (unless someone will tell me it's not optimal), but my post here is due to my frustration on not being able to get the new box to be the router.

Any suggestions please?

Thanks
John.
 

JohnSethKins

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Hi Ralston,

Thanks for the reply.

I think the answer is no, as all I want is for the new router to handle DHCP duties, and leave the old router to be a dumb modem. I did read the sticky a the top of the forum, and for what I am trying to do it would seem to me the change is completely transparent to the ISP. This is a cut and paste of the section I was trying to follow;

Chaining Two Networks Together In a Cascading Fashion (Modem handles PPPoA)

There are many, many ways to accomplish this setup, but I will first outline the way I have personally done it. This setup will work if your Router does not support PPPoA, but will work using PPPoE aswell. The ISP sign-on is left for the modem, and then cascaded or bridged LAN to WAN, to the router

Now with my setup, 192.168.1.1 is my Router subnet, and 192.168.2.1 is my Modem's subnet.
The devices I used in my setup were the Netgear DG834G(Turned into Modem only) and Linksys E3000(Router), but I'm sure you can adapt this setup to your router quite easily.
This process can be difficult, but I will try and explain as clearly as possible.


The Router handles the following:

DHCP IP handouts
Port Forwarding
NAT Firewall
DMZ
Wireless and Such
Basic router functions

The Modem will handle the following

PPPoA sign-on
Complete connection to ISP
DNS servers
DMZ and Completely Opened Firewall
 

Ralston18

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So you wish to have one network as wired and the other "new" network to be wireless....

And the connectivity is to be:

ADSL Splitter ---------> (ADSL port)Cable Modem/RTA01N (LAN port) ---------ethernet wire ---------> Router/Xia0mi (LAN port).

 

JohnSethKins

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Thanks for persevering.

Yes, although my understanding from the sticky is the the ethernet cable coming from the old RTA01N should go to the WAN port of the new Xiaomi. The idea is to have the Xiaomi providing DHCP duties, being the wifi box and the wired box. All the RTA01N needs to be now is a dumb modem.
 

Ralston18

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Nature of the beast....

I asked because the configuration process can be a bit overwhelming, complicated, and tricky. Especially if the manual is not that well-written or kept fully up-to-date. Or there is an inherent expectation is that "we should somehow know" bordering on the clairvoyant.

You planned setup is as would be expected. The most important part is to ensure that the modem's DHCP is off. What could be happening is that modem is "remembering" the old router and not recognizing the new router. I have read about that a few times here and there. Suspect that that may be the situation with respect to your router swap.

Basically needs a reset and do-over.

The modem will need to be reset, reconfigured (e.g., turn off DHCP, set IP address) and then again connected to the ADSL via the splitter/filter. You will need to wait until the modem reports it is connected to the ISP via the green indicator. May require a few minutes to accomplish that. If connection does not succeed then you will need to dig into process and settings/troubleshooting to see if some step or configuration requirement was missed or made in error. Fortunately you do not need, or will not need, most of the functions inherent in the modem. Just leave the defaults as they are unless a specific change requirement is necessary.

As for the IP addresses I would leave the router at 192.168.1.1 as all the network devices know that. The modem's IP should be changed during the modem's reconfiguration to 192.168.2.1 as you mentioned. Not sure that that is the best choice per se and I will defer to any other recommendations or suggestions.

Once the modem is up and connected to the ISP then, yes, the ethernet cable goes from the modem's ADSL port to the router's WAN port.

It may take a few minutes for the modem and router to handshake and get themselves set accordingly.

Some things to be ready with in advance: The respective/default IP address for both the modem and router's admin webpages along with their login name and password. All should be the defaults after a factory reset. A known working ethernet cable suitably long to reach directly from your PC to either the modem or the router. Direct connectivity is needed for configuration. Try to have the ablility to do a screen capture and print while working in the device home pages. Very helpful to record settings both before and after.

I also suggest a simple SOP of your own to identify the things that need to be done and the order in which to do them. Just your own little "step-by-step" procedure that can reference user manual pages. Just doing your own little procedure will help you learn and identify questions beforehand. You will learn and it all will get easier.

Preplan/select your settings when you get to make the choice. E.g., SSID, password,wireless security.

Please post any further questions or concerns. Thanks.

 

JohnSethKins

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I think I did everything you describe, but I also fear that I fell into the trap caused by frustration of changing multiple things without rebooting and without sufficient discipline in monitoring and moderating what I was doing.

I shall have another go spurred on by your own optimism.

Just to be clear, I am going to set up a static IP address in the RTA01N which is shown on page 74 of the manual? I will enter in the IP Address of the new router and the MAC address of the new router, save the changes, then disable DHCP routing, reboot, establish internet connectivity, then plug it into the Xiaomi and then wait patiently for the magic to happen?

Your comment on clairvoyant made me laugh, bearing in mind I also have the language challenges of a Spanish ISP here!!
 

Ralston18

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The new router already has its address (192.168.1.1) which is the default address. (Actually one of default IP addresses available for private networks.

Do not change the new router's IP (192.168.1.1) as all of your devices are looking to the new router to get an assigned DHCP IP. You are moving that DHCP IP assignment function from the ADSL modem to the router. As you mentioned "The new router works great with the clients in the house (NAS, Amazon Fire TV box, phones, tablets, PCs etc), the speed is hugely improved." Leave that all alone.

However, you must set up the ADSL modem (RTA01N) so its IP does not conflict with the router. Which, as I understand your posting, the ADSL modem is to be 192.168.2.1.

Page 73: DHCP Configuration = None: You do not want the modem to being doing anything DHCP.

Page 74: Probably not although I can see how it could be read that that is where you could enter 192.168.2.1 for the LAN address and the MAC address of the new router in "MAC address".

Look at page 31: If your modem (RTA01N) only has one ethernet port as show in the introductory pages then that, in my mind is where the 192.168.2.1 (submask 255.255.255.0) should be assigned.

Specifically the IP address under "Interface Name :Ethernet1" being 192.168.1.1 and you will be changing it to 192.168.2.1

If you reset the modem and 192.168.1.1 appears there (Ethernet1) then I am thinking that Ethernet1 is probably the correct configuration point for the change.

And if my Page 31 reasoning fails, then page 74 can be the fall back attempt. Or vice versa, you have certainly worked on it all more. No harm or insult if you try Page 74 first.

The manual instructions unfortunately are going to make it all a bit of trial and error.

However, once you make the initial modem settings (including the IP change to 192.168.2.1) and have the green light showing ADSL connectivity you shoud be able to connect the modem's ethernet port to the router's WAN connection. Give it some time to work/handshake. Then you should at least be able to get to the modem webpages (via browser and 192.168.2.1) and not have to do any more resets. Some changes may require restarts.....

Pretty much that is the way I would go about it all. Please post what happens. Thanks.

 

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