My gaming PC is both stronger and weaker than Xbox One/PS4!??!

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xynerial

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OK...so back at the end of 2011...BF3 came out... all I had was a weak laptop I bought in 2009 for school. I wanted to play BF3 so I put together my hardware which I won't go too much details into except: i5-2500k (32nm) and x2 Radeon HD 6950 2gb in Crossfire.

Fastforward to 2015, Microsoft release Directx 12 with Windows 10, and they say only 22nm CPU and Radeon HD 7000+ and Nvidia Geforce 500+ GPU can run Directx12...

...I am 32nm and Radeon HD 6000 which are both not 22nm or on AMD's GCN/7000+. Xbox One and PS4 GPU are roughly 7790 or 7870 I heard... my crossfire set up is roughly around a 7950 I believe?... so basically my gaming PC I made in 2011 is somehow... a little more powerful than a next gen console...so I assume it's suppose to be able to run any game released for these console adequately to be played by 2020...yet somehow these console's hardware allow for Directx 12 while mine doesn't....

...so does this mean around 2018, next gen console, ps4 and xbox one, can run good looking Directx 12 games with GOOD FPS while my set up will struggle in unplayable framesrate because they cannot run Directx 12? cause Directx12 is suppose to make stuff possible like better looking graphics and a lot of moving units etc. So if Xbox One and PS4 have technologies that support Directx 12 while mine doesn't... it means my hardware will drop to 5FPS trying to render Directx 12?

...so my gaming PC is paradoxically MORE POWERFUL and...lol...weaker than Xbox One/Ps4? this paradox makes me feel like I am in the twilight zone... nothing make sense. I hate paradox. If someone can clarify.
 
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Your PC is more powerful then a console at DX11 but due to the HD 6xxx's lack of Windows 10 support, it won't be able to do DX12 gaming at all. Only way to get drivers would be to move from Windows 7/8 and keep the legacy drivers. I might just upgrade to a R9 300 series card. The TeraScale architecture was made for DX11, but GCN (7000, 200 and 300) is in many ways made for DX12.
 
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The Radeon HD 6xxx series was not designed with hardware to take advantage of DirectX 12. Specs for DX12 was likely not even finalized until after AMD started production of the HD 6xxx series.

If you want to be able to play games that uses DirectX 12 effects, then you will need to buy a new GPU. And whenever DX13 comes into existence, you will have to upgrade yet again. At least at that time you will have the upper hand because the XBox One and PS4 will not have the hardware to support DX13. Also, the PS4 does not use DirectX anything because DirectX is exclusive to the Windows OS.
 
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It's very unlikely that games will be exclusively DX12 until 2020 probably, so you don't really have to worry much, and your computer 5 (or 9) year old computer will have lasted you a reasonable time.

That said, since you already have a working a computer, it wouldn't be that costly to upgrade it.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($183.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $409.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-16 11:51 EST-0500

This won't really "struggle" to run anything modern and will still be able to take advantage of DX12, which will ease some of the burden, or not. DX12 will have some useful effects, but not really ultra omega supreme unbelievable differences.
 
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Hi again,

Thanks for responding to my thread so far. It seems all three of you guys suggest that I should upgrade my graphics card to a GPU that will be able to run DX12... however if I do that, my CPU, a 32 nm, still doesn't support Directx12...so does that mean I'll only have 1/2 the hardware that can run Directx 12 so I'll have 1/2 the frames rate? this means I'll have to upgrade my CPU too and that means removing the discrete heat sink and wipe off the thermal paste... that's very complicated and complex it seems...I mean this is insane. All the hype about PC gaming is NOT real it seems. It's best to wait between 7-10 years to upgrade... and when you do, the best to do is to buy a next gen console for 400$...rather than dish out 1,000-1,200$ as I did back in 2011 to buy a gaming computer just to learn later that it's not future proof...and can't run stuff a 400$ console can. I mean that's a rip off. I should have just bought a 400$ console in 2013 instead of a 1,200$ gaming PC in 2011.

...well the PS4 seems to have the Directx 12's competitor, the VULKAN API... perhaps if I am lucky, maybe my hardware can run that? but what if it requires similar PS4's hardware? god damnit. I think I've learnt my lesson. However, in the future I will divide my spending into two.

1000$/1200$ will divide into 400$ for consoles and the left over 600/800 dollar will be used to build an entrance gaming PC every 7/10 years. Or better yet just save me 800$ and just buy a PS5 and an Xbox Two for 800$... or just one for 400$

...but could a current gen console run Star Citizen? I mean Black Ops III looks like a gorgeous game. The Xbox One can run Black Ops III, the guy's armor and face looks nothing like the PS3 and last gen console. It surely can run Star Citizen...which is advertised to melt ur PC. Hopefully, Star Citizen do not utilize DX12 and my 2011 PC can run it without dropping to 5 FPS.
 
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He is actually suggesting that you build a brand new rig, rather than replacing your CPU (6100 uses a different socket to 2600, so you couldn't even do that).

Thus the advantage is you don't need to go through the complicated process of removing parts (a good advantage too, since your current computer is still usable).

I have not heard of CPU's being DX compliant, DX support is mainly based on GPU and software, not as much as CPU so I wouldn't worry about that. If your CPU can't support DX12, chances are rather than running at half frame rate (which I doubt), it will simply refuse to run.

I have never heard of anyone running into that issue, ever. In fact I don't recall anyone discussing DX support and CPU in the same thread.
 
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Just a couple points.

The CPU requirement of DirectX 12 is for the on-die graphics. Not fab size. If you have a supported GPU, you're good. If not, you need a CPU with supported graphics capabilities.

It is super easy installing a new CPU. You probably don't even have to, though.
- Pull old cooler and CPU out.
- Clean them with a few drops of a $2 solvent.
- Put new CPU in.
- Put a small line of thermal paste on.
- Install cooler.

I would just get a new GPU ***when you need one***. If you're not having slideshows now, then you're inventing problems. DirectX 12 has many improvements, but any games supporting it will also probably support all the way down to DirectX 10 or 9 for quite a few years. The improvements Dx12 will give to the XBOX will be real, but marginal. Don't worry about it. There is no paradox. You were ahead then, and you're still ahead now. Plus you got it 2 years (!) earlier. I don't see why you'd be upset by that.
 
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There is no reason to upgrade your GPU at this point.
First of all, DX12 has not yet proven to be better than DX11, we only saw Hype videos.
Once games are done fully in DX12 (now they are not even made fully in DX11 since they are console ports and console games are designed in DX9 engines).... so why get a DX12 card if there are no DX12 games?

Once we start getting them, then there might be a reason to have a DX12 capable system (and here is where the devs dropped the ball: with no new awesome games, most ppl wont upgrade systems, so less cash for the PC industry as well).

Oh and dont trust Microsoft too mcuh in their DX statements:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/184768-head-of-xbox-warns-gamers-not-to-expect-dramatic-improvements-from-dx12
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/directx-12-vs-directx-11-what-s-new
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one-and-pc/1100-6427422/

As you can see, even Microsfot has conflicting information regarding DX12, so if Microsoft who designes DX12 dosent know, dont expect others to do.
 
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You probably don't need an upgrade until DX12 support is standardized, probably another year before that much comes out. DX12 will provide improvements, but how much isn't entirely certain yet. Early indications favor GCN improvements over Maxwell, but we will see what it looks like next year, where everyone should be DX12 optimized and at 14/16nm fabs. That is the time to upgrade your GPU, not now.
 
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