Choosing the right 980 ti

IcyxHot

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Hello,

Recently I have been looking at upgrading my 780 to a 980 ti as I am going to be buying a 144hz 1440p monitor w/ gsync and could use the extra beef to fully use this monitor. I'm trying to stay below the $700 range for the card so I haven't really been looking at any of the hybrid builds as well as another reason I will talk about below. I have a couple of cards in mind and haven't really been able to get a solid answer after looking through reviews and such on the internet. Thus I turn to you guys in order to help with my decision.
Here is the lineup:

Gigabyte G1 - $670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3KF9294&cm_re=gtx_980_ti_gigabyte-_-14-125-787-_-Product

Zotac Amp Extreme - $680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83G96950&cm_re=gtx_980_ti-_-14-500-379-_-Product

Evga Classified - $700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487146

Evga Ftw - $680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487160

Evga SC+ - $680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487142

Now the main question that I have is between the Evga cards. I understand the difference from the SC+ to the other two is that it has a lower clock from the factory which doesn't bother me because I can simply OC it but, what is the real difference between the ftw and the classified? If you had to put your thumb on one of the Evga cards which would be your choice? One thing I had let out so far is that I do plan to watercool my entire system at some point in the future (After I build my custom case this summer). Would watercooling the system change your choice and why? The one thing I have yet to research is waterblocks as I know the gigabyte card has a custom PCB but am unsure of the other cards.


In the end I am looking for a card that will do wonders on air and when it is put under water pushes the boundary even further. Like I said I don't know the difference really besides clock speeds as to which would be the better choice.

Thanks for the help.

 
Solution
Classified tend to Overclock better.

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti CLASSIFIED GAMING ACX 2.0+

Part Number: 06G-P4-4998-KR

1190MHz Base Clock
1291MHz Boost Clock
209.4GT/s Texture Fill Rate
6144MB GDDR5 Memory
7010MHz Memory Clock
336.5GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Warranty: 3 Years

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti FTW GAMING ACX 2.0+

Part Number: 06G-P4-4996-KR

1190MHz Base Clock
1291MHz Boost Clock
209.4GT/s Texture Fill Rate
6144MB GDDR5 Memory
7010MHz Memory Clock
336.5GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Warranty: 3 Years

Dark Lord of Tech

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Classified tend to Overclock better.

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti CLASSIFIED GAMING ACX 2.0+

Part Number: 06G-P4-4998-KR

1190MHz Base Clock
1291MHz Boost Clock
209.4GT/s Texture Fill Rate
6144MB GDDR5 Memory
7010MHz Memory Clock
336.5GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Warranty: 3 Years

EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti FTW GAMING ACX 2.0+

Part Number: 06G-P4-4996-KR

1190MHz Base Clock
1291MHz Boost Clock
209.4GT/s Texture Fill Rate
6144MB GDDR5 Memory
7010MHz Memory Clock
336.5GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Warranty: 3 Years
 
Solution
Scroll down on either newegg link you posted, it shows you a chart that shows the difference, that being a 8+2 vs 14+3 power phase. Better power phases usually result in being able to overclock more, hence why it has a higher PSU requirement as well.
 
Here's how they stacked up in TPUs reviews:

Brand fps OC % Core Memory link

Gigabyte G1 134.8 131.4% 1512 2100 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_G1_Gaming/33.html
Palit Jetstream 133.1 129.7% 1515 2100 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti_Super_JetStream/33.html
Asus Strix 131.7 128.4% 1472 2070 https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_STRIX_Gaming/33.html
MSI Gaming 130.5 127.2% 1507 2040 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Gaming/33.html
Zotac Amp 130.4 127.1% 1465 1990 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti_Amp_Edition/33.html
EVGA SC 126.8 123.6% 1491 1900 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_980_Ti_SC_Plus/33.html

Three of them break the 1500 Mhz barrier.... Gigabyte, Palit and MSI. But that isn't the be all and end all as memory OCs affect that too (Note EVGAs poor showing @ 1900) likely due to the lack of memory cooling an the SCs reference PCB). Giga and Palit stand out at the top, EVGA at the bottom and the rest are clumped in the middle but ALL of them are in 27-31% OC territory, except for EVGA.

Couple of things I have noticed since the 7xx series:

1. nVidia has stepped up the limitations on what 3rd party vendors can modify, including both legal and physical limits. Unless you physically modify the card or used a hacked BIOS, what you can do voltage wise is strictly controlled. The advantages offered by the "super cards" like the Classified, Lightning and HOF has therefore been greatly diminished because no matter how hefty a VRM you have, if you can't take advantage of it and raise the voltage significantly higher, the advantages of those VRMS and hand picked GPUs are negated. You can look at the threads over on overclock.net to see that the Lightning, Classified and HOF are just not delivering anything close to what we saw in past years or anything to warrant the price premium.... unless of course you getting into LN2 and / or card mossing.

2. Custom BIOSs can be used to deliver higher base core clocks but, after extensive research with the 780s. I found a lot of BIOSs that delivered higher base cores, but none that delivered higher fps. I surmised that this was caused by the way the boost technology works, in that the higher base core isn't making the boost significantly higher, and even if it does, it's not doing so in a way that brings higher fps.

3. Even water cooling doesn't have the impact it had in earlier generations as we're generally hitting the voltage wall well before we hit the heat wall.

4. Warranty return rates for the major players over the past 12 months have been:

- Gainward 1.56%
- Zotac 1.83%
- ASUS 2.54%
- Gigabyte 2.68%
- MSI 2.37
- Sapphire 3.38%

Aside from the performance, noise and other data you can gather in the above links, I also find reading the user reviews / ratings on newegg to see what % of card owners are really unhappy with their purchase giving it jut 1 or 2 egg ratings.




 

IcyxHot

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Thanks for the help. Didn't see that comparison at the bottom. I always liked having evga cards as their support has always been best for me. So I think I am going to go with the classified version.
 
I have found that all manufacturer's support has tanked in recent years but my last EVGA experience involved 20 support calls over 18 months and 5 RMAs.... none of which provided a card that could run at advertised factory overclocked speeds. I appreciated that they didn't blow us off but the process, not much unlike anywhere else, seems to be designed to frustrate the customer and force them into a situation where they feel it's not worth the time and effort. But they took it to a new extreme in that on every call we started from scratch ... on the 20th call it as as if the previous 19 calls did not happen.

They blamed MoBo, memory, PSU and the only way I finally got them to acknowledge that it wasn't anything else was to show that the MoBo, PSU, memory etc was able to handle two Asus cards with a 28% OC (borrowed from an about to be completed user build) and yet their card was failing at "outta the box" speeds.....it failed just 10MHz above reference speeds too. It had gone on so long that the next generation cards were out and they replaced the card with a reference next gen model.

I hope nVidia loosens up the reigns again on what they will let vendors do because they really killed the value of these super cards .... investing in large, beefy VRMs and other components just isn't bringing the returns it used to. At $700, I just don't think it brings an adequate return on investment, especially when twin 970s will be cheaper and faster. But if ya set on a single card, that being the 980 Ti, I'd look at the Amp Extreme and HOF before making final decision as these seem to be favorites reporting the higher OCs and lower noise on sites like overclock.net




The EVGA SC is just a reference card with a nice cooler. I haven't seen a complete tear down article for the 980 Ti but here's a good comparison of the 970s.... you can see the difference on the bottom third of each page.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/3

EVGA sticks with the reference power input design, equipping the GTX 970 SC ACX2 with dual 6-pin power connectors.

Examining the PCB reveals a 4+2 phase power design – four phases near the rear I/O for the GPU, and two in the bottom right corner for the memory. This is a slight upgrade from the 4+1 stock specification but unlike MSI and ASUS, EVGA does not use any specially crafted components.

The GPU MOSFETs are directly cooled by the main heatsink, which has a thermal strip on to draw heat up into the fin stack. On the other side of the GPU is a metal contact plate that partially cools two of the four memory chips on this side, leaving the other two exposed. It also cools the MOSFETs of the power phases serving the memory, but no thermal pads are used, so heat transfer is likely to be limited.