Help - Need to transfer internet connection 300 meters away

kougkrenos · Nov 17, 2015

The closest internet connection to my house is approximaterly 300 meters away.

The internet provider is willing to put me a connection approximately 250 meters away for free and i need to find a way to bring the connection to my house. If they will do it it will cost me some thousands euros.

From what i searched online I have three options to do this:

- Using antennas (i have line of sight - only a line of trees in between)
- Use of CAT6/ CAT5 cables (i read that their max lenght is 100 meters and i need a powered extender every 100 meters)
- Fiber optics cable

Which do you think is the best option considering internet speed and cost?

kanewolf · Nov 17, 2015

For fiber optics or antennas you would need power at the internet provider end. Fiber is going to be the simplest because you can go more than 100 meters. You can use mid-span repeaters powered by POE -- like this http://www.veracityglobal.com/products/ethernet-and-poe-devices/outreach-max.aspx to get your distance. You would have to create a weatherproof enclosure for the repeaters.

bill001g · Nov 17, 2015

Do you own the land in between or have a right of way to run cables. Do you have power at the remote end that you can use.

If you do not have power at the remote end it will be very difficult.

You can use outdoor wireless bridge equipment. Engenius and ubiquiti make many models which you use is mostly dependent on how much speed you want and how much you want to spend. You could likely get something for under $100 total if price was the main factor.

Running fiber/ethernet is mostly going to be the cost to dig up and bury the media. As mentioned ethernet has issue beyond 100meters. Fiber of course is your best option but it is still costly. It has come down a lot though. You would need someone to make you a custom fiber but I would bet you could get it and the media converters for well under $1000. If you actually had the ability to terminate the fiber yourself and could buy bulk cable it is likely under $500.

There are more strange solutions. There are devices many times called "ethernet extenders" that are a form of private DSL device that can run over long runs of copper cable. Like DSL the length and quality of the cable impact the speed.

Unless you need really high speed and since you have clear line of sight I would use outdoor wireless bridges. I hate digging trenches.

Solandri · Nov 17, 2015

A pair of the Ubiquiti Nanostation M router/antennas will handle 300 meters easily and have a bridging mode. The 2.4 MHz model is typically around $50. The 5 GHz model is a little more, but will suffer less interference from neighboring wifi, so I would suggest it if you have line of sight. They use PoE, so you can plug it in wherever the ISP gives you the network connection, then run your own ethernet cable up to the roof or up a tree to the Ubiquiti. That ethernet cable will carry both power and network.

kougkrenos · Nov 17, 2015

bill001g :

Yes I own the land and there is power at the remote end.

Indeed it seems a lot of hustle to dig etc. The only reason im thinking ethernet/ fiber optics insted of outdoor wireless bridges is for the internet speed and loss of connection caused from whether (our weather is mostly sunny all year - some rain and wind during the winter). I don't have any experience with outdoor wireless bridges. Do you know if there is any internet speed loss + interuptions from weather? Can i minimize this by buying a more expensive antenna? Do you have any suggestions for equipment?

kougkrenos · Nov 17, 2015

Solandri :

Thanks for the reply. Do you know if internet speed is affected by the using antennas? Do you recommend a specific model?

bill001g · Nov 17, 2015

I doubt weather would have much impact at that distance these systems are designed to go many kilometers. I suspect the ones that go farther would have less loss if you get any at all. If you want to spend the big bucks ubiquiti has models that are designed to run at gig speeds. Still their new ac model claims to do 450m.....of course that is total bandwidth like most wireless.

Solandri · Nov 17, 2015

kougkrenos :

For a 300 meter hop, you can just get the cheapest ones. locoM2 or locoM5. They are rated for 5-10 km if used as a pair, so 300 meters should be no problem at all. They are rated for 150+ Mbps, so speed shouldn't be an issue unless you have really fast Internet. I have a pair of the M5 on a short 100 meter hop, and it easily maxes out my 45 Mbps Internet. (I think they're actually limited by their ethernet port to 100 Mbps.)

If you opt for buried cable, I would recommend burying conduit and pulling cable through it. That way if the cable ever goes bad or you wish to replace it when the newfangled super-duper-fiber is available 20 years from now, you can just tie the new cable to the old one and pull it through, instead of having to dig another trench. Unfortunately this raises the price for what is already an expensive operation. I was quoted a cost of about $70 per ft for trenching through dirt, which would be $70,000 for 300 meters.

Since we only needed the cable for a 4-day annual event, we ended up just digging a shallow trench a few inches deep and burying Cat 5e cable in it. It worked for 2 years, but by the third year we were getting intermittent signal losses. I pulled out some of the cable and the plastic sheathing had started to crack with age, allowing water into the wires (which have their own sheathing, but obvious some water had gotten through. So this isn't something you can cheap out on if you plan it to last for many years.

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