What parts and etc I will need to get started on a real cooling system

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AMD FX(tm)-9590 Eight-Core Processor, 8GB ram
AMD Radeon R9 200 Series,
Can not seem to remember the motherboard but its equally related to the above.. like a fx amd sumtin sumtin lol..

The problem - It gets hot.. I understand the rules of ambient but its not even close i keep it close to 60F in the room with the pc and its still running into the 80+c which is roughly like 120-140F (im not doing math but they are no where near each other ok lol..

The processor DOES have a single contained unit water cooling thing on it but the graphics card does not.. it does not ALWAYS over heat and when it does it only gets to the point where the game stutters a bunch until it cools down or i turn down settings... its a very good pc and run damn near everything on the highest settings except the newest games which have to be tuned down to prevent the heat up..

I want to yank the crappy single unit out and put everything on a big water cool loop.. It is a mid size (for gaming standards any way) chasis.. ok i found it AZZA Atlas Gaming Chassis

I don't know what I need and I am not trying to spend a lot of money.. i have a few companies around me that will install and insure their work but i need the parts and/or a kit to give them to put in it .. and like i said pref for as small amount as possible..

If it helps I am in the US and only use American Dollars $$.

Any advice is welcome, if you feel like listing parts and building one for me that's cool also. I will accept any and all ideas that could help solve it and if you know of any great all in one kits that would be cool to. Thanx Guys.
 
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That board is NOT suitable for FX 9xxx series processors, as seen here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2384008/motherboard-tier-list-990fx-chipset.html


Also, motherboards don't "melt", heh. What WILL happen is the motherboard VRMs will fail, or the CPU will fail, without sufficient cooling. The use of a liquid cooler removes any possibility that the motherboard VRMs will get any incidental cooling effect from the CPU cooler like they would with an air cooler that's blowing over the top of them, so with liquid cooling it's even MORE crucial that a motherboard designed to handle the additional and necessary voltage required by the 9xxx series chips without experiencing overheating or thermal fatigue. I'd recommend getting a high...
Motherboard model is going to be extremely important here, so I'd suggest you look on the motherboard itself and find the model number. There are only a very few motherboards that should be used with the FX 9xxx series processors, but unfortunately some dipshit prebuilt system vendors like CyberpowerPC and IbuyPowerPC, or unknowledgeable system builders, use inferior boards not recommended for use with these chips and VRM overheating is a big problem.

Single fan liquid coolers are also NOT sufficient for keeping these heat monsters cool. You need either one of the top end tower air coolers, or, at minimum, a 240mm all in one liquid cooler. A 280mm liquid cooler is highly recommended.

I'm going to assume you got this through Ibuypower PC, since AZZA does not list the Atlas case on their website and it is most likely available only through Ibuypower on their prebuilt systems. I'm also highly skeptical that it has support for larger than 140mm radiators, which are not suitable for keeping the 9590 cool enough. I'd suggest you are probably going to need a new case and at minimum a 240mm AIO cooler like the Cooler Master Nepton 240m or Corsair H105.

Furthermore, it's probable that another motherboard may be indicated as I know for a fact that Ibuypower has been pairing the FX-9590 with motherboards that should never have been used with it, due to poor thermal qualities. I'd also want some terrific case fan cooling with that processor, and so almost certainly you want every possible fan location on whatever case is used, to be utilized. Make certain that front, side and bottom fans are bringing air into the case in an intake configuration, and that top and rear fans are configured as exhaust, expelling heat from the case.

Finding a product page for your case model, somewhere, would be very helpful in determining if any of this is going to be possible using that case or not, and knowing what your motherboard model number is, is absolutely essential.

This is exactly why we do NOT recommend buying systems from IbuypowerPC and CyberpowerPC.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2869275/1300-premade.html
 

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Fatal1ty 990FX Killer .. i don't recall which fatality fx specifically it is but if there is one rated specifically for this processor assume it is that one cuz at one point i was knee deep in this research to make sure everything worked together at least on a base lvl (ignoring cooling plans)

i have 2 corsairs the loud strong heavy duty ones pointed out the top.. im feeling like they are both 120mm.. it came with a default pointed in fan thats like.. 1200rpm on the bottom also 120mm .. and... dual push (one on each side) fans 120mm out the back which i believe is a single vent... they are on each side of my core's closed water system.. i can not recall the brand but it is neither the worst nor best and only a single not double vent... that is all the fan locations and for the most part it stays cool enough to run everything from like 2013 on back no worries things like the new fallout 4 and some other demanding games push it up into the 80+ range where it starts to stutter a bit...

I am not really concerned with it overheating I have had it for at least a year or so and not even gotten close to melting a motherboard.. i just need it to stay cooler BETTER than it is so i can open up the power it actually has..

I HAVE considered i may need a better case so that option is not out of the picture but.. let me see if i can find a spec..
Learn more about the AZZA ATLAS CASE BOM


Model
Brand
AZZA
Model
ATLAS CASE BOM

Details
Type
ATX Mid Tower
Color
Black
Case Material
SECC
Power Supply Mounted
Bottom
Motherboard Compatibility
Micro ATX / ATX / Extended ATX
Side Panel Window
Yes

Expansion
External 5.25" Drive Bays
4
External 3.5" Drive Bays
1
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays
4
Expansion Slots
7

Front Panel Ports
Front Ports
USB 2.0 / USB 3.0 / Audio

Dimensions & Weight
Dimensions (H x W x D)
20.30" x 8.50" x 20.90"

so it has 2/1/1 4 fans only one spot for a double and is the above mentioned size.
 
That board is NOT suitable for FX 9xxx series processors, as seen here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2384008/motherboard-tier-list-990fx-chipset.html


Also, motherboards don't "melt", heh. What WILL happen is the motherboard VRMs will fail, or the CPU will fail, without sufficient cooling. The use of a liquid cooler removes any possibility that the motherboard VRMs will get any incidental cooling effect from the CPU cooler like they would with an air cooler that's blowing over the top of them, so with liquid cooling it's even MORE crucial that a motherboard designed to handle the additional and necessary voltage required by the 9xxx series chips without experiencing overheating or thermal fatigue. I'd recommend getting a high end air cooler, a different board or a different board AND a bigger liquid cooler if the case will support it, which is still unknown in my mind.


Additionally, every review, of the few reviews I can find on this case, mentions problems with temperatures due to a poor design when it comes to airflow. I'd probably highly recommend a change of case if you're going to try and salvage the configuration and continue using that 9xxx series chip. Personally, I'd sell it and go with something that uses less power and creates less heat, but I also understand that may not be an option right now.
 
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I will likely have to get a different case for sure.. This I have accepted.. I understand what your saying about the board now but there isnt much I can do about that at this point and fortunately the board is not HORRENDOUS for this just sub-optimal (otherwise it would have shit out already I would think).. Bigger case I might be able to swing.. Better cooler also possible but the boards matching this computers specs are expensive so in order to do all 3 it would be close to if not well above 500-600 bucks which I just can't swing right now..

You're not wrong.. but is there any thing you can think of that could "help" that is cheap and easily done in the meantime of getting money together.. it will be a while since i got Christmas and stuff I need to buy for family
 
I'd probably do something like this. Put the radiator in the front in an intake configuration so the coolest air will pass through the radiator, and will still allow you to use the top fans as exhaust in order to disperse heat from the hottest area, which is always the top of the case. Move the fans that come preinstalled in front of the case, to the top, to use as exhaust. Rear fan comes preinstalled. You may even be able to use the extra third fan that comes preinstalled in front along with the radiator mounted there, but I doubt it. You might consider modifying the side panel to accept a fan there, if you're inclined to do modifications, so you can create an additional intake there that will blow directly down on the GPU card and motherboard VRMs.

Not essential, but an idea anyhow. You could also rig a smaller 80mm fan with a custom bracket to blow directly onto the motherboard VRM area, but again, while this WILL help, if you're not comfortable with it it's not strictly necessary. If you stick with your current motherboard, I'd highly suggest possibly doing something like this and if you google motherboard VRM custom cooling you'll likely find lots of ideas on how to do this.

If you can't swing all three parts, I'd definitely at least go with the case and cooler. If you prefer an air cooler, I'd go with something like the Noctua NH-D14, D15, Cryorig R1 Ultimate or Universal, Phanteks PH-tc14pe or Thermalright Silver arrow IBE extreme.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 280L 122.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($160.85 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $359.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-29 16:02 EST-0500
 

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Question. Will/would/does taking the entire case wall off help? As far as venting goes that's about as vented as you can get I would think... Also I know this might sound stupid but ... if i can some how manage to put the whole damn thing in front of a window ac unit .. would i have to worry about dew and/or water accumulation and would that depend on distance?

The case is pretty much set up the only way it will allow unless i could some how flip the mother board upside down but otherwise i cant really do much as far as fan placement MOSTLY because of the giant ass graphic card and the slot it needs to be placed in ... on the bright side the gpu almost never at least that I've noticed gets to a heat break point.. in general it is always the cpu.. its rather frustrating in fact how well the damn thing stays cool 90% of the time doing literally everything with small exception to the ... what like 2014 - Now ish high end games.. as I type this it is resting at 23c cpu and 30c gpu.. running a bunch of programs might get it to 40-50 range and normal (not super high end) games even on max sit about 60-70.. it can and does run things like fallout 4 but i have to turn things that require rendering or post processing down.. shadows etc etc view distance effects stuff like that.... i dunno if that helps or not but eh..

I will take the cooler off the back tomorrow and see if i can do something (needs to be cleaned anyway) again i know this SOUNDS stupid ... but i may be able to leave the cooler bit in front of the ac instead of the broad side of the pc.. dunno just spit balling but if getting the water colder will actually fix the problem I might be able to work with that. what ye think?
 
Water/humidity, like occurs via refrigeration or evaporative cooling, is bad. You don't want to do that, at all. We have example threads with big FAILs to exemplify this, all across tech sites. Don't do it. That's my advice on that.

Removing the side panel will help somewhat, but even then you will get no airflow OVER the motherboard in the same way you do when you create an air draft via an intake and exhaust path, which is what helps to cool the motherboard VRMs in situations where there is liquid cooling being used and no residual air movement over the motherboard since no CPU air cooler is installed. But so long as you have top and rear fans in exhaust configurations, it can't hurt as a temporary measure, so I'd do it if you can keep stuff out of the case, and only as a temporary measure.

It will also not help much with CPU cooling, as all heat exchange will occur via the radiator, so those fans are pretty much entirely responsible for that. If your radiator is a rear mounted exhaust configuration, there may be some benefit to the CPU since it will likely have cooler air to work with, but the trade off probably nets little benefit to the VRMs which is where the majority of throttling problems on lower quality boards happens using the 9xxx series chips.

I think I'd probably recommend getting a air cooler over using water since the airflow across the motherboard, even though it's somewhat miminal on a tower cooler versus a top-down stock style cooler, is quite helpful. I don't know, that's up to you but I think if I was stuck with using that motherboard I'd switch to air.

The problem with your small liquid cooler is that it doesn't have the volume capacity to exchange heat, plus it offers no cooling to the motherboard VRMs. Putting it by an AC unit probably is next to useless and potentially even harmful.

Honestly, I think you're trying to find a redneck solution, no offense, that really doesn't exist. These processors are problematic. Like I said before, I think I'd probably just UNDERCLOCK the CPU, by limiting it's maximum clock speed in the BIOS, which will reduce it's temperatures and voltage stress on the VRMs until you can afford or have time to provide a proper solution.


VRMs and throttling explained: http://www.overclock.net/t/943109/about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-with-125w-tdp-processors



Some things you can try: http://www.overclock.net/t/1202751/amd-fx-cpu-throttling-fixes-please-sticky
 

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As it so happens my man.. I found a redneck solution given the information we discussed.. Now I don't want to do this all the time and as it happens i do not need to since this is only during extreme games I have an issue.. the main reason i dont want to do this all the time (during winter) is that it makes my feet very dang cold lmao BUT....

Are you aware of this product
http://www.amazon.com/Vornado-Mid-Size-Whole-Room-Circulator/dp/B000E5WAUO/ref=sr_1_3?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1448863287&sr=1-3&keywords=vornado

I just so happen to own a mid size vornado and let me tell you.. they are cold especially when placed on the ground where it literally sucks the cold off the floor (wood floors) and pumps it UP.. I took the side panel off the damn pc and dropped this down by my feet next to my subwoofer and BAM! Cold as hell feet = cold as hell motherboard... Tested it just now by running fallout 4 on max and getting into heavy fights and what not... not even a drop of lag and never went over 50c on cpu and stayed round about 60c on gpu.. permanent solution? no.. but will get me through Christmas and a couple months to get money together..

I do have you to thank tho I would not have thought of this if not for you illistrating that the problem was getting enough air to FLOW OVER the motherboard... I thought.. well shit my vornado flows more air than anything alive (great fan btw) and tadaa rednecking it up =P thanx man .. now you have a solution to offer to any one similarly stuck .. or not w/e lol
 

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Your choices for the 9000 series:

Asrock 970 Performance
ASRock 990FX Extreme9
ASRock 990FX Extreme6
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z
Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0
Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0\5.0
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7
MSI 990FXA-GD80V2

AMD.COM

Warning: This power draw of this CPU is almost twice that of the average CPU. Due to this, AMD recommends using at minimum a 850W to 1000W power supply. For cooling, AMD recommends using either either closed loop liquid cooling , h100i minimum or full system liquid cooling.