AMD CPU A10 vs FX and MOBO what to choose ?

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Trying to build a Rig around my GPU .

I got
600Watt power
Sapphire 280x Vapor 2x 3GB
HDD 1T WD blue
SSD EVO 850 250GB

an now the hard choice

should i get a A10 with 65watt TDP ( ex. 7800 ) ? in a FM2+ socket , But PCIE 3 16x
or shall i go with FX8320E 95 Watt in a AM3+ socket with PCIE 2 16x ?

Witch one is better for games ? FPS and RTG , On line always ?

I don't want to spend more than 200 euros if possible. Cause i need almost another 50 euros for 8GB Ram ...

Witch one is more future proof ?

What Mobo do u suggest for moderate Overclock ?

Its all about money ... :D
 
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clock for clock the athlon is faster per core than the fx processors. that is why for gaming it usually beats the fx processor in benchmarks you may be seeing. though obviously the fx 8 core is what it is, 8 cores, and though not far behind the athlon in ipc, its performance will sail past the athlon in highly threaded apps. that said, i still think the fx processor is a better option. otherwise, as a gaming processor, these are not good options. some will disagree, many will not, but popular opinion is that amd cpus are not meant for gaming in this modern age. unless you have some non gaming app that you need highly threaded performance for, go with a far more future proof intel platform.
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As hamster66 said, non of the CPUs you listed are future proof as the FX line is dead and APUs are meant for extremely tight budgets (when you can't buy a dedicated GPU, so its entry level). That being said, I recomend you go with the FX 8320 with the MSI 970 Gaming motherboard + a CoolerMaster 212 Evo (CPU cooler), that way you can overclock the 8320.
Otherwise, I can also advice you get a FX 6300, which is cheaper, same socket and it pulls almost the same fps than the 8320 (1-4 fps difference at most). If you tell me specifically what country you are from I can research the price of the listed components, but in USA the FX 6300 is 89$ and the MoBo is listed at 100$, with the cooler at 30$.
 
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My question is 1st about the CPU.
I have read some reason reviews about the A10 and the FX. But I'm confused with the results. I don't know if some of those benchmarks are useful in everyday life. I really don't care about the 0,1 deference in some Bench.
I ask for the A10 series because some needs 65W vs the FX8320e 95W.
Is the FX better performer?

The good about the FM2+ is the PCIE 3,and the 3,1 USB on some mobos.

My second question is the dark cloud on AM3+ future. Idon't want to buy a mobo which is already dead. Anyone knows if the AM3+ gonna get another CPU series? I read that for ZEN, AMD will use a new socket "AM4" . But unfortunately I can't wait.


So what to get?
 
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The FXare better performers in all aspects against an A10 because you have a dedicated GPU for it, they are overall better CPUs.

The FX 6300 and 8320 also have more cores than the A10 (6 for the 6300, 8 for the 8320 and 4 for the A10), which will be way more useful for future games, where they start using more and more cores.

Furthermore, the FX line is a plain better CPU than the A series, they pull better results and one big problem is that the A series don't have L3 Cache.

FX may be old, but still perform better (the FX 6300 is at least 20% faster than your A10). Regarding the PCI-E 2.0 of the FX and the 3.0 of your A series, there is no difference at all in terms of performance. Also take into account the fact that you need the fastest ram you can get for the A series (faster MHz, not memory), which means you need to invest more than necessary for ram.

If you want to overclock spending the least possible, buy the FX 6300 with the MSI 970 Gaming MoBo and Coolermaster 212 Evo, the CPU is the best bang for your buck, the MoBo is amazing (crossfire ready, 4 memory channels, overclocks amazingly) and you have the money to buy a CPU cooler too.

If you want to invest a bit more to get 2 additional cores and a bit more of power, get the FX 8320, with the same MoBo and cooler. It's more expensive (8320 is 140 USD and the 6300 is 90) and there is barely any difference with the 6300, but its still more powerful and has extra cores.

I would only recomend and APU if you didn't have the money to buy a dedicated GPU, but since you have one I suggest you change the CPU and MoBo.
 
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Also, having a 600w psu you shouldn't worry about the energy draw from the CPUs, you have more than enough to power any CPU.

Also, no AMD CPUs give you much of an upgrade path, if you are looking for that you should look Intel's way, because neither the A series nor the FX series gives you headroom to upgrade (unless you plan on buying the FX 9000 series in the future), so neither socket will let you upgrade.
 
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AMD A10 7870k is meant for entry level, I'm not saying its bad all around, the FX series beats it. I would like to know in what way do they suck compared to the A series, if you could tell me.
 
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Much better sky diver score 4,862 vs 2,836
Much better CompuBench 1.5 ocean surface simulation score 301.16 fps vs 155.63 fps
Significantly better performance per watt 9.72 pt/W vs 6.31 pt/W
Newer Jan, 2015 vs Jun, 2013
Better performance per dollar 9.24 pt/$ vs 7.01 pt/$

here you got it
 
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-Cinebench R10 32 bit fx 16,213 vs 14,484 a10
-Cinebench R10 32 bit (single core) FX 4,101 vs 4051 a10
-Passmark score FX 6,444 vs 5,501
-FX has more L2 cache and has L3 cache (a10 doesn't)

Anyone will tell you to go either for the FX 6300 or the 8320 over the A10 7870k because they are better CPUs, its a fact. Unless everyone is wrong, I think the FX is better.

 
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im not really into AMD, so you're probably right, just go with an intel, or an 6700k like i did, no regret, do it good the first time and dont get a budget low-end cpu, get a mid/high end so ur good to go for a couple of years
 
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clock for clock the athlon is faster per core than the fx processors. that is why for gaming it usually beats the fx processor in benchmarks you may be seeing. though obviously the fx 8 core is what it is, 8 cores, and though not far behind the athlon in ipc, its performance will sail past the athlon in highly threaded apps. that said, i still think the fx processor is a better option. otherwise, as a gaming processor, these are not good options. some will disagree, many will not, but popular opinion is that amd cpus are not meant for gaming in this modern age. unless you have some non gaming app that you need highly threaded performance for, go with a far more future proof intel platform.
 
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say that to helltaimer
 
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confused i am ... ? ...
Does my budget (max 130 CPU and 80 mobo and 50 Ram 8GB ) have enough room for Intel rig ?
Give some suggestions plz
is the 4130 better than 6300 (with a moderate OC ) ?
 
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the i3 4130 is better than the fx 6300 yes, altough it only has 2 cores.
which cpu do you have right now? it might not be worth it upgrading to a 130 dollar cpu
 
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Kwaazaa you should read the whole thread before posting such a childish comment like that. If you look above I tell OP that AMD CPUs are lagging behind Intel and there is no real upgrade path for the AMD processors. Before making such silly remarks which make you look hurt, I urge you to read the whole thread.
 
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Till now I had an Asus P5K E/wifi appreciate deluxe, 775 socket with a Xeon E5450.
My latest GPU was the Gigabyte GTX 750 WINDFORCE 2X OC (The best version of that card)
That rig served me well with 0 problems. The only black spot was the bios upgrade. Almost impossible... :)

In some forums I read that new games wants CPU with 4 cores (min) and guys with for ex. P3258 anniversary need to wait for hack in order to play.
(correct me if I'm wrong)


 
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so right now you have the Xeon E5450... nothing wrong with that cpu, why upgrade it? its a 3.0ghz 4 cores cpu with !!12!! mb l2 cache, its good for gaming.
 
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