Skylake i5 worth? Or just buy with haswell i5

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My Spec:
CPU: A10 7700K (Oc to
GPU: R7 7700K
SSD: 120 GB
HDD: 500GB
Motherboard: MSI A88XM Gaming
RAM: Team Elite Dark DDR3 2400mhz 2x4GB
PSU: Corsair CX500

I want to upgrade my PC, i'm not in rush
My plan are i want to upgrade to: AMD R7 370 and my CPU to i5 4460 or i5 6400 (of course with the motherboard).
But if i upgrade to skylake i need to change the RAM too and skylake price are too pricey.
Is it worth to upgrade to i5 haswell or even skylake or better i just buy r9 380 and better PSU (Seasonic M12ii 620W Evo).
Note: I can sell my current part so basically i spend around the same amount between r7 370 and i5 haswell or R9 380 and Seasonic M12ii 620W evo
Note 2: I live in Indonesia, i cant buy online
 

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In my opinion it is best to wait another year.
Next year is THE year that the real 4K gpu`s are coming to the market (HBM 2).
They say that they come in June - Juli.
Next year is ALSO the year Amd comes with a new line of high-end cpu`s (end of the year).

The performence boost wil be so great......We haven`t seen that in many years.
But the fact is that they had no choice since 4K hit the market so quickly :p

So very difficult time to upgrade now in my opinion. If you have a pc that is just quick enough......I should hold on and upgrade next year :)
 

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Lol no my PC cant hold for 1 year. now it touch the minimum requirements in today games. But i think my CPU cant hold for 1 year for AMD Zen, but not my GPU i have to upgrade my GPU so what do you recommend?
 

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i havent own the haswell yet, look at my spec
 

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If i was about to upgrade i personally would go for X99 platform. We don't really know what will happen with Zen, if AMD will get closer with the single core performance the only way Intel will get away from that battle is multi core solutions and X99 platform is the only still available prepared for > 4 cores battle.
Also we will find out possible GPU mixing due to new DX 12 possibilities, meaning those additional PCIE lanes available for multiGPU configurations on X99 might start giving a viable return.

Now, you seem to not be interested in such heavy stuff, so for you the answer is simple.
If you feel you lack of performance or drives you crazy you can freely go for an upgrade now.
If I were you I would go for Haswell for few reasons:
- mainly because you have DDR3 RAM already and swapping to DDR4 would be just another waste of cash
- DDR4+new mobos = "new tech" tax which is another pile of cash wasted
- Skylake ain't that different in terms of performance from Haswell

The only reason i would go for Skylake is a functionality that Haswell doesn't have but is a must for me, in that case there isn't any at all.

Of course you can wait, but you always could and will be able to. This way you can wait forever for a better tech, better deal, etc. It's your call when the time is now.

 

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No i cant afford all of that H97 are expensive here and GTX 960 overpriced like hell.
r9 380 on CX500 arent recommended because it cant deliver full power at above 30 degrees a.k.a impossible to reach 500W rated
 

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oh that make sense

 

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X99 overpriced like hell the motherboard it self cost my whole PC brand new
 

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Thx can i just change the GPU to R7 370 the price only different slightly for better performance and what's the difference between h81 and b85 chipset
 

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The very first question...
Why do you want to change the current PC and what do you want to achieve? For me even a swap for the option above from your config is hardly any cost effective.
Your CPU is an equivalent of i3-4130, meaning it's not that bad. There is a lack of dGPU in your config so certainly you are not able to run any new games at decent settings. Is that the issue? If so why do you care about new CPU anyways, better focus on GPU then.
R9 380 non X has TDP of 190W, meaning that CX 500 should certainly be able to power it up. Most of R9 380 needs 2x 6 pin connectors while CX 500 has 2x 6+2 connectors, meaning they designed it to handle possibly even more power hungry GPU's. Over 12V you can combine 456W meaning there is still over 260W left for CPU+MOBO. If you not gonna over-volt CPU badly its quite plenty.


 

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Ok first my cpu is slightly weaker than Athlon X4 860K that noticeably weaker than overclocked Pentium G3258 that noticeably weaker than i3 4130. Second i'm playing CPU intensive games like Space Engineer and World of Warcraft, and i'm still playing GPU Intensive games. Now for the R9 380 look at the image

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it consume almost half of my PSU in full load "torture" test. Then this is what jonnyguru said at CX series: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=416(it's 750W review)

"I have no use for anything that can't do full power at forty degrees or better, and I review these units accordingly. Computer cases routinely see temperatures higher than thirty at the power supply intake, and this becomes more and more of an issue the further south you live, depending on whether or not you're buying this budget unit so you can afford to run the AC.

It also becomes more of an issue depending on where your unit is located. I have family with computers next to heating vents, because that's the only place available to put them. Guess what that does to a Canadian computer? Most of their cases don't have the newer layout where the power supply pulls room temperature air in from underneath the case, so those power supplies are taking in air heated by the vent and the computer hardware. Thirty degrees? Ha!

No, folks, thirty degrees just doesn't work for me. A unit this heavily de-rated is likely only good for 650W at a more reasonable forty to fifty degrees. It may be a perfectly decent little unit, but my hot box will not stay cool enough to make this unit happy. This is by design - my methodology is to get these things to at least forty whenever possible, because that's the lowest temperature I personally expect to get full power out of a unit. Forty is more than reasonable, even for a good budget unit.

Really, here's what it comes down to... this unit has to pass hot box testing, or there will be scoring repercussions on page six. I haven't had to use those particular scoring rules in a looooong time. Corsair, I hope you had CWT give you overtemp protection, because I think this unit is going to need it." -Oklahomawolf Jonnyguru

30 degrees? Did i live in north? i live in Indonesia and 30 degrees intake to my PSU are impossible. So let's say i only have 400W or 450W PSU
 


Wrong. His APU is a full tier below i3-4130. Moving to a haswell i5 puts him in the top class for CPU above anything made by AMD, and will hold him for several years to come. All he has to do is get the best GPU he can afford whether it's GTX 950 or 960 or R9 370, 380. His PSU can power any of those with an i5.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
 

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9287/the-amd-a10-7700k-and-amd-a6-7400k-cpu-review/3

Take a look over the gaming charts.
Yes we know Intel has better single core-performance and only in this specific situations it will be a Tier higher, yes it will have lower minimums, but we are talking about +250$ to get i5 platform just to handle those specific situations. Is it worth or not it's up to OP, but since he decided already let him be. For me such a tier up or two jumps are just a cash thrown away coz you pay double or triple to get 10-50% boost but only at a specific situations.

To be fair if i would consider swapping from OP's PC to this i5-4440, H81M, GTX 750TI, id rather just skip it and start saving money for some proper gaming build or buy only a decent GPU and put it in the current build.
The upgrade you suggest is just cash thrown away for a new platform which in fact could be spent better.