[SOLVED] MSI GTX 970 - Do i need to reseat the heatsink?

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Just added an ASUS DCMOC GTX 970 (mini) next to an MSI GTX 970 , and
did some stress test under nominal clock speeds using Hwinfo64.

I got that the MSI GTX (which has been crunching for little more than one year), raises temperature much faster than the ASUS.

Both monitors are attached to the new ASUS which lowered MSI temp by ~ 10°.

Current situation is as follows:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1s2oo12x9xw5rpg/GPU_temps.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pizsdxv1obv1sd7/20151213_125539.jpg?dl=0


MSI:
from 33 to 55 °C in 4 seconds (+5.5°C / s)

reaches 75 °C in 180 seconds

ASUS:
from 26 to 35 °C in 4 seconds (+2.25°C / s)

reaches 62 °C in 180 seconds.

Right now i am forced to underclock the MSI core by 500MHz (from 1114MHz to 612MHz) to keep temp ~ 71° in full winter with the case open... :( voltage can't be lowered with MSI, and remains at 1.187V (unfortunately), whereas the ASUS keeps cool at full speed (1089 MHz) with Vcore=1.212V.

The MSI is closer to the CPU (higher) and the ASUS is lower, both fans are blowing upwards, but the ASUS being shorter only 'blocks' the flow on one of the two MSI fans.. More in detail:

ATX motherboard (ASUSM5A99x):
- MSI is mounted in PCI-express-16 slot 1
- ASUS is mounted in PCI-express-16 slot 2

This leaves about 2 cm between the boards.

Do you think that this indicates a problem in my thermal paste / heat sink seating of the MSI GTX 970 ? Also if i lift the MSI card by a few mm i see the temperature sensor jumping from 75 to 90° in no time, and if i release the MSI card to its original position (it is a little bent due to the weight) then it goes immediately back to 75°... weird..

Any comment is much appreciated!
Thanks

Massimo


 
Solution
The top slot card is always going to run hotter when the airflow is restricted by a second card.
If your case has fan slots on the side panel i suggest installing some fans there, have them blow air onto the cards.

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Thank you for your comment ShadyHamster, i already thought of that indeed, and will fix that in the coming days.

But nevertheless i still believe that the big temperature jump (4 seconds 22 degrees increase) in the 1 year old board is a symptom of some serious issue with the old board. I don't think the air flow can have an effect in just a few seconds... That's why in the attached image i turned on MSI after 2 minutes to show that fan speed has a relatively slow impact.
 

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I think i got it sorted out,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ozq47a9zevbsee0/GPU_temps2.jpg?dl=0

While attempting to replace the thermal paste, i first thought let's just loosen the sink and fasten it tighter again (unfortunately i lost the warranty this way since the sticker got off). And tah-dah... 7 degrees less, i am now on 70° C instead of 77°C with stock settings.
I do not dare to replace thermal paste, since i can't get the fan connector out, but nevermind, it looks good enough now :)
 

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Best effect was achieved by these actions (all figures are with 95% utilization of both GTX970 GPUs and 77% utilization of AMD-FX-8350 CPU (8-cores).

1) re-seat (fasten screws) the older MSI-GPU sink (-10°)
2) change MSI-GPU thermal paste (-7°)
3) Add 3 fans replace 1:
a. Add intake side fan (140mm, noctua redux 1500rpm)
b. Add intake front fan (140mm, the same)
c. Replace exhaust rear fan from a coolermaster 12cb-3bn-F1 1200rpm to a Kaze-Jyuni Slip stream 120mm (SY1225SL12SH, newer version of Scythe slip stream) : 110cfm, 37dba, 12v/0.53A.
d. Add exhaust top fan (scythe 120mm), and remove part of dust filter not useful for exhaust
--> With these chassis fans I was able to close the case with these results: GPU: -3°, CPU: -5°, HDD: -4°, wrt open case.
4) Underclock top board by ~100MHz : GPU: -3°
5) Put monitors both on bottom board: GPU: -2°

I started with 77° GPU and 43° CPU0 with open case. Now I run with a closed case stable at 58° on both GPUs (gpu fans @ 65%), CPU @ 39° (CPU fan @ 1400 rpm, case fans @ 1000rpm). Noise level is qualitatively the same as it was with 3 fans less and an open case. My exercise is done :)

this is a snapshot of the sensors:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cdc0nc1pkwlfysw/GPU_temps_FINAL.jpg?dl=0