[think I found the SOLUTION] My SSD is hot + slow WRITE, even without me doing anything.

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The SSD is 50 celsius most of the time, even just browsing the internet or all closed ....

All other components are cold ...

And when I analyze the use of it by the managed tasks, only a few bytes being read or written by the windows 7 ...

My CPU is with 40 celsius because the CPU is with OC 4.3ghz (fx8350) and clocked a minimum of 4.3ghz all the time ....

SSD installed this week and until a few days ago, the SSD was on average 40 ° Celsius at most .....

IMAGE: -> http://raffaelvitor.com.br/SSD-TEMP1.png
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UPDATE:
Benchmark is too low? Writing is low?

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UPDATE 2:

Disabled TRIM, changed the SATA cable, SATA port, and after each restar, the only final changes are:
(NOTE: The WRITE speed increased, because I run CHKDSK and found some errors.... This is stranger, WRITE speed increase after fix the errors?)

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The TEMP are the same, 48 - 52º....
 

bailojustin

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There is a possibility of a malfunction on the temp sensor, you can check this yourself by lightly placing your hand on the SSD if you can tell there is a significant heat it means the SSD is breathing its last breaths, unless you take action swap the location somewhere low, like behind a front intake fan. this will help keep it greatly cool. also download a program to check the smart status and see if it is in danger,warning, or alright. Cheers, sorry bouth the ssd mate
 

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Something is wrong.
Either the temp sensor is faulty, or the SSD itself is faulty.

My 4 SSD's are between 22C and 29C as I type this. Difference due to location in the case.
 

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I opened the case and found that near the SSD cable, it gets a little warm, and at the other end it is completely cold.

And it was even cooler than the HDD .... Odd .... '-'

He's a Sandisk z400s.

[strike]Open case = 48º .... 2-3º down.... o.o"[/strike]

Same temp with open case... 50º - 51º
If sensor problem is to reset it or something? Or as I have to make sure whether it is sensor?

UPDATE:
Benchmark is too low? Writing is low?
cristalmarkssd.png


UPDATE 2:
Disabled TRIM, changed the SATA cable, SATA port, and after each restar, the only final changes are:
(NOTE: The WRITE speed increased, because I run CHKDSK and found some errors.... This is stranger, WRITE speed increase after fix the errors?)

cristalmarkssd0.png


The TEMP are the same, 48 - 52º....
 

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UPDATED with possible solution to ALL:

After many tests, all day.

I ran SSD TWEAK of elpamsoft, and ... nothing has changed:

There has a PRO version, I decided to try to make more settings ...

It used, optimized the TRIM (reset), and after restarting it seems that IS OK! the temperature is below 2 Celsius compared to HD in IDLE.
When doing benchmark, it goes to 51, that's right?
Since in benchmark usage is through intense. (I guess)...

NEW TEMPERATURE, reaches 37 typing and browsing the web ...:
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Current PERFORMANCE, I think it's standard right?
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SSD TWEAK config's:
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bailojustin

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Like I first stated way above. You have a faulty temp sensor most likely. And ssd and harddrive run hot from time to time especially with inadequate air flow.

Not to mention a ssd if mistreated, defraged, used for constant downloads and so on ect..the drive will die much faster. Hard drives have sectors and when a sector is damaged it will heat up, the mechanical arm inside, because it's actually trying to read the sector as many times as it takes till it gets all the information, so the more damage to the sector the longer write and reading times.

The problem is there are 2 types of hardrive errors, physical if using and hdd, and software using a hdd or ssd. Physical is actual damage to the disk itself cause by dust, debris, the read needle. Alot of this, heads in the hdd or the arm motors failing.
In ssd you have to deal with flash memory, and thay can be affected many ways, with flash memory for example let's say a sector is 1mb if you download a program that's 500kb then it will actually use 100mb to fill that sector. This is where most hard drive errors begin.

Torrential is a contributer to hard drive life decrease. Because your taking tiny bits of information and loading all different sizes to the sectors.

Any damage to a hard drive will only get worse, a bad sector can lead to the information in it wetter it might be system files becoming irreadable, and corrupt. Meaning it ruins the os. It can also spread the file corruption to nearby sectors.

Your harddrive or ssd is going to be limited by the speed of yur sata, the sata cable you use as some are 3gb, some are 6gb and so on. That combined with a super sata config will yield the best results.

In my opinion it's best to use an ssd a minimal amount, make sure no cache files on it. You want the least usage possible for the best life for the ssd or hdd.

Also never ever Defrag a ssd as this is essentially like caching, take and adding data to it at a constant rate. You don't want to use it unless you have to.

Like a boot ssd is great because the only changes will be additions to windows files.

As for the cooling. Download speccy or another program to check the smart status of you harddrive or ssd.

If you use command prompt there are commands in diskpart thay will tell you the health and exactly what's causing the issues as well as if it's going to die soon.

Ssd's are more fragile and easier to destroy then their hefty hdd coubterpart. It only take 130 lateral gs to destroy all data on a ssd while it's 250 for an hdd, also the landing orientation.

Hard drives and ssd go bad over time, believe me, my main hdd has a performance rating of 3.3mbs absolutely horrible, but it's only to store movies and so forth, I use a 250 m.2 ssd for games, and producing. While I have a 64gb ssd made to be a boot drive dedicated to my OS. I have pagefile turned off on everything but the hdd.

My temps run high (40c) on one hdd with my ssDS at about 27-35c.


WARNING WARNING PLEASE READ,
Only attempt if you are experienced and this may also cause IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE to the ssd if not done correctly or a mistake is made. This is a VERY SENSITIVE PROCEDURE WARNING

Also if it's an ssd you can opening it and pinpoint the location of the heat, once find try and fine the issue, a bad chip or whatever, make sure the solders are seperate and well done, if not do some touxh up work vwry carefully. Check the power connectors to the drive aswell.

If the psu is giving it to much power it can cause this issue, to test this download speccy and top left, file, publish report to url, and post so I can check load line voltages and status of your ssd/hdd

WARNING WANRNING NEVER Open a hdd to the disk unless it's USELESS and you just want to see how the disk works. Any single bit of contamination even a spec of dust can cause irreversible damage. The arm or needle is always in contact with the disk when not spinng, incase you were wondering how it reads, after spin up it creates a mm layer air bearing essentially that will life the needle just so slightly above the disk, this enables it to move from side to side and read the disk. Bad sectors cause the arm to have to go over said sector multiple times to try and read the data, if it can't this is a bad sector, the files stored here are corrupt and Wil slow bench and read/write times.


if need be add some thermal pads and if you really want to step it up a notch add a aftermarket cooling sink with a small fan, don't position the ssd in between a stagnant air zone, place near a fan and make sure it's secured rock solid to the pc. This will help drop the temps if it's in direct contact with the area that is heated

Ssd and hhd are in the danger zone max when above 50c. So you look good to go. I wold take it easy on be charts aswell as those write and read the drive, so it's a double edged knife, you get to benchmark but your also causing the life to degrade faster.

Make sure your ssd is plugged into a high speed sata aswell. With a great sata cord for maximum benefit.

My recommendation is to buy a new ssd, but this time get a m
2 ssd, these go in a free pci slot and use x4. But are much faster and reliable. I read before that they are 6 times faster than a normal sata ssd. Correct me if I heard wrongly please.

Thanks again, hope this helps
 

bailojustin

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Also your benchmarks may be low because the drive might be in a power saver state. And if you do not have more then 1 drive, this results in a long drive que time which slows read.write. aswell as with one harddrive, everything is being written and read from it. So it's always partially in use and you will never get full bandwidth, especially if you have a pagefile and caching set to it.

Best bet is to have at least 3 harddrives, the fastest hdd you set the pagefile and caching on so everything else is not written or read from, this enables you to do more as you have hard drives ready to handle your.next request rather then maxing out 1 ssd.

Maxing out 1 ssd by constantly keeping it under load which is very easy 3ven if your not trying to will skyrocket it's temps.

I recommend getting another ssd and hdd

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In SANDISK dashboard, say 100% heathy.

And about voltage, how to check?

Thanks a lot. :)
 

USAFRet

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You should have stopped there.
Would you like me to go, point by point, why 90% of the rest of that is at best incorrect, and at worst potentially dangerous?
 

bailojustin

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Thanks fret. I'll be sure to just give them the answer. I added the extra because it's just more knowledge, some people enjoy knowing a little more rather than just the answer. And if it isn't the temp sensor (only way to truly tell is a temp gun, shots little laser tells you how hot it is, I use it on my cpu or ram and hdd/sdd.)

Alot of it was not needed but I just like informing others, and if anyone of my information is not quite right please feel free to let me know so in the future I can ensure the correct information.

That is also why I put a warning disclaimer before continuing
 

USAFRet

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'Informing others' is one thing
Bad and dangerous information is something else altogether.

Opening an SSD case and taking a soldering iron to it?
The PSU 'giving it to much power' ?
SSD being physically more fragile than an HDD?

And a whole lot of other things in there.

Come on...that just wrong.
 

bailojustin

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Exactly why I put a warning disclaimer and said don't do it if tou don't know what your doing. It is dangerous and people should be informerd of how fragile and delicate they are. I have fixed Ssd's and hhd by replacing pcb boards. It's not dangerous if your smart and research it
 

USAFRet

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Opening the SSD case was but one of many wrong points in there.