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Hello guys,
I want to build a new pc based on the i5 6500 and am searching for other components that are fitting to my needs. Thought about 2x 4GB of DDR4 RAM and a new mainboard , a samsung 250 GB SSD and a 1 TB WD Blue HDD, but I'm open to every kind of suggestion and appreciate your help and information.
My current gpu is a GT 630 but I would like to upgrade it next year to a better one (GTX 960/970, not sure yet), so compatibility of these components is important. 4-6 SATA ports from the mobo would be perfect too.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week (the closer the better)
asap, in 1-3 days

Budget Range: (e.g.: 300-400) Before / After Rebates; Before / After Shipping
around 650 Euros (with processor, ssd/hdd, mobo, RAM, psu, fans, case etc. except for the gpu and a dvd drive) before shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (e.g.: Folding@Home, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies)
gaming and working with photoshop are equally important, surfing the internet/watching movies

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: (e.g.: CPU, mobo, RAM) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using**
creating a whole new pc

Do you need to buy OS: No
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing)
Mindfactory.com if possible

Location: City, State/Region, Country - we need to know where these parts are being assembled and whether there are good store-only deals available
Germany

Parts Preferences: by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to upgrade to Intel CPU)
Intel CPU, Gigabyte mainboard
Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: (e.g.: 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200 or if you're upgrading please state what you'd want to get)
1680x1050, thinking about an upgrade to full HD

Additional Comments: (e.g.: Need to have a window and lots of bling, I would like a quiet PC. Please also list specific software or games you're using)
Quiet would be nice, but is just optional (if the budget is enough)

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: (e.g. I'm having trouble running game X or my PSU broke)
I'm upgrading because I want to edit more pictures faster (the loading times are horrible at the moment, 2 GB RAM and Pentium 4 3.00 Ghz) and I'm not capable of playing (upcoming) games like Deus Ex : Mankind Divided, Witcher 3 and TESO.

Thank you very much for your help and time!

*EDIT : It's important that the PC is going to last for at least 4-5 years and stay relatively up-to-date until then (except for the gpu, lol). That's the reason for me for not choosing a i5 4460.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€213.06 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€100.55 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (€55.46 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€85.41 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€53.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case (€52.53 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€79.53 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €639.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-15 16:33 CET+0100


Personally, I would go with last gen, and get an i7 class chip. For editing, more threads can make a difference, depending on program being used. Also future titles will become more multithreaded.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€264.93 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€68.28 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€47.93 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€85.41 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€53.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case (€52.53 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€79.53 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €652.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-15 16:35 CET+0100
 
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Thank you for the quick and helpful answer logainofhades!

You've got a point with the multithreading feature of the Xeon, but what about the RAM?
Won't it make a considerable difference if I took a cpu that supports DDR4 instead of DDR3 (especially if I had the pc for the next few years)?
 
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You want:
- i5-6500
- 8 GB RAM
- Mobo
- SSD 250 GB+ 1 TB HDD,
- GTX 960/970

Budget Range: ~ 650 Euros (CPU, SSD, HDD, RAM, PSU, CABINET)

Priority:
Editing pictures faster.
Gaming the following titles : Deus Ex : Mankind Divided, Witcher 3 and TESO.

Optimally, you want an even stronger core with overclockability. It will make picture editing faster and more futureproof.
You also want at least 16 GB ram for editing.

That´s not going to happen for 650 Euros if you also want the videocard.. So the best alternative, is buy a really good cpu paired with suitable rams, mobo, psu. You´d have the necessary foundation for a really good pc, that you can run with integrated graphics till you can afford a decent videocard and optimally add an SSD in the end.

That way you will have a monster pc that you´ll be happy with for years, instead of a scrappy solution you´d have huge buyers remorse with in the end. You´d be surprised to know, that integrated graphics (HD 4600) will run even games like Witcher 3 at low settings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biPyzeA-kFg

Down below is my suggestion featuring:

- Fast overclockable skylake-build. Overclockable motherboard with 6 x SATA 6Gbit/s ports. CPU cooler for overclocking.
- 16 GB fast DDR4-2400 with CL15
- 1 TB Hybrid drive, lots of storage space and gives you SSD-like performance for most used programs and files.
- Reliable PSU from Seasonic, powerful enough that you can add any video card later on.
- Good big case from Antec with lots of drive bays.

#### When you can afford, add a GTX 970 + SSD, then you have a really good pc for both editing and gaming - till then you can game with integrated graphics provided by the i5-6600K cpu, it will be tolerable, but not optimal ####



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (€264.00 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€35.53 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€110.80 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€92.39 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (€70.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Antec NSK4100 ATX Mid Tower Case (€39.90 @ Caseking)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€79.53 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €693.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-15 17:04 CET+0100
 
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Hey Victorion,
thanks for the answer.

One thing I want to avoid is overclocking. I'm short on experience and don't want to mess the whole pc up before it's even working properly.
The 650 Euro would be the budget without the gpu, guess I wasn't precise at that point. Will upgrade the gpu in the next few months (have a GT 630 that is ready to be build in) (;

You suggested a Skylake build and not a Xeon like the previous user did, does that have any specific reasons?
Using a SSHD is an interesting idea too. How long do you think the pc will need for booting up/ starting programms etc. then?

Btw, why did you both choose 630W instead of 500W? Do you think the pc will really need a majority of that?
 
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GT 630 is not better than HD 4600. In fact it may be worse. So you can skip that entirely. Just to clarify, the i5-6600K/6600 cpu has integrated HD 4600 graphics.

As for overclocking, it´s an option, not a necessasity. Unless you want to make it a hobby, you can actually dumb down a simple overclock to :
- Change multiplier clock in bios settings > Run Prime95 to test if it´s stable > Done!

If you don´t want to overclock, you can get the cheaper i5-6600 core, cheaper motherboard and skip the cpu cooler.

I suggested a skylake, but a xeon path isn´t a bad choice either.
Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 has no integrated graphics. So you will need a videocard.
Basically it´s the cheaper alternative of an i7 core (meaning it has hyperthreading enabled, and can produce 4 virtual cores which works good for 3D rendering, modelling and programs that uses more than 4 cores. Games generally don´t.).

It´s haswell tech, meaning it´s a little older tech and only supports DDR3-1600. Skylake is a newer tech with better upgrade paths.

Xeon cpu vs the i5-6600K cpu - you´d get a slightly better single core for core performance with 6600K - programs that may use more than 4 cores (games generally don´t), xeon will perform up to 30% better.

Overclocked, the i5-6600K takes the lead in gaming, while performing admirably for picture, video and 3D tasks and alike.

I suggested a the Seasonic PSU because it´s about the best PSU you can get for the money, while having enough power to support a powerful videocard down the way. It would suck if you added a GTX 970 and had to upgrade PSU.


DDR3 vs DDR4 - DDR3 rams today are plenty fast enough for almost any task.
DDR4 rams use less power and can be clocked alot higher. While DDR3 standard is usually 1600 mhz, DDR4 starts off at 2133 mhz and goes beyond 4100 mhz.
However, more than just looking at mhz, cas latency is also important - and DDR3 has generally lower CL-rate than DDR4. That means that you have a faster access time on DDR3-1600 CL9 than you´d have with DDR4-2133 CL15.
Within a forseeable future, it´s likely that we will see DDR4 ram with both a much higher mhz and a low CL rate.

You do want 16 GB rather than 8 GB of rams, if you´re doing video/picture editing. Especially if you´re also doing 3D modelling/animation. It may not even be enough with 32 GB using autodesk maya.
 
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My mistake, remembered the wrong name.
However, HD graphics 530 is better than GT 630. Which is the relevant point of the GT 630 being superflous if you have a i5-6600K cpu.



 
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So basically I can choose between better performance at running programs (faster photoshop/lightroom etc.) but with an older CPU and less upgrade possibilities in the future or a better gaming performance and more possibilities of upgrading the system. Is there a solution that includes a better performance than the two mentioned (in both categories) at a reasonable price (inside the price range)? And what are advantages and disadvantages of overclocking?

Ok, got the thing with the psu now.
Isn't the gpu the main horse on the waggon of gaming power?
 
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If you go with my suggestion. You´d be building towards an optimal build, something like this

1) great workstation performance, tolerable gameplay
2) add a highend graphics card (like GTX 970 for $300) and you have a monster gaming pc in full HD and fast GPU rendering times.
3) add SSD drive for faster booting/loading times or M.2. SSD drive for even faster loading/booting times.
4) add more rams if needed.
5) incredibly allround powerful pc for basically any task - and should serve you well for the next 4-5 years.

Overclocking benefits is setting the clockrate at a higher rate than it comes with. That means better performance in the same fashion if you tuned a motorcycle.
Now the risk, is that if you overclock too high, your component may become unreliable or ultimate overheat and stop working. Today, it´s relatively safe to overclock (cpu, gpu and ram) as long as you have the necessary cooling and stay within safe margins. An interesting side note; alot of computer components may come from the excactly same batch of production, but end up as highend and lowend price-tags after a binning process.
That could mean 2 ram sticks, may be $100 apart in price, but the first stick tested to be stable at 4000 mhz while the other only stable at 2133 mhz.
Once you buy it, a stick of ram that tested stable at 4000 mhz may be stockclocked to 3200 mhz and labeled corsair domintor platinum with an insanely high price tag - and you could push it to 4000 mhz by yourself or even higher.
 
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Yes, the GPU is king, in a gaming rig. Intel has not been ramping up performance much, for the last few generations, so I wouldn't overly worry about CPU upgrade options. There are Sandy and Ivy bridge users, like myself, that are still not forking over the money needed for Skylake. I would benefit more from a GPU upgrade, vs a CPU one, as the GPU is what is holding me back.
 
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I see, thank you for your answers :)

logainofhades, do you think 2 pre-installed fans in the case you suggested will be enough or do I need additional ones? And are heat paste and slot bracket part of the mobo or processor kit too?
 
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That's good to hear.
With slot bracket I meant the piece of metal you can put at the backside of the case to prevent dust from coming onto the mainboard. It has some holes to let the main board ports (USB etc.) fit.
 
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They are usually included with the mobo, a cabinet may come with its own as well - but doesn´t always fit mobo.
 
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Thanks Victorion, let's hope that the slot bracket will be part of the mobo package too.

Guess my question was answered now, we bought the PC a couple of minutes ago. Thank you for your help logainofhades and Victorion, you made a lot of things clearer for me.

Hope you have a great Friday!
anittaa
 
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Happy to help, and good luck assembling it ~

remember to solve the thread :)

 
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So, which components did you decide to buy??

Yogi

 
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