Wife's PC crashes when gaming. I feel like I've tried everything.

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I posted this on another forum, but got zero responses. I thought I'd try here as it seems to be a place with lots of knowledgeable people.

My wife's computer has been crashing in games for about a year and a half. She doesn't play a ton of different games, but most of them crash. The one game that didn't crash was Project 1999 (which is Everquest from 2000-2001 era). So that's really old and probably doesn't push the computer very hard. The games that do cause crashes are The Secret World, Civ V (in DX11 mode - it doesn't crash in DX9 mode), Endless Legend, and Gauntlet.

Her machine has experienced two kinds of crashes. The first is the game freezing accompanied by the Windows message saying "<game.exe> has stopped working." and it gives the option to check online for a solution or close the program. The second is the screen going black, but the sound continues (neither of us can remember if it loops or just continues as if the game were still running). It is essentially frozen for a minute or two, then it's possible to use task manager to end process on the game.

The crashes occur at fairly random times. Sometimes she can play for a longish time (an hour or so) before it crashes the first time. Sometimes the crash happens within 30 seconds from starting the game.

In trying to figure out the problem, I've done clean installs of Windows 7 (more than once). I've checked and DX is up to date and correctly installed. I've even replaced every piece of hardware on the computer except for the mouse and monitor. Every piece. I upgraded her machine recently with new motherboard, memory, video card, PSU, case and keyboard. I did a fresh install of Windows 7 during that process and manually reinstalled all of her software. I've run MemTest386 and it never finds errors. I've checked temperatures and they're not excessive. I've updated drivers and motherboard firmware. I've run hard disk diagnostics on the physical hard drive (not on the SSD). I've also run chkdsk. I've run SCANNOW to check for problems with Windows. I've tried different anti-virus (NOD32 originally, now Avast). I've tried multiple firewalls (I think Tiny Personal Firewall, Comodo and now Windows Firewall). I've also checked the Windows 7 Performance Monitor right after the crash and it's shown nothing maxxed out (CPU, memory, etc). I did that because somebody suggested that it could be virtual memory settings.

Nothing seems to make a difference. I've been working on computers since the 90s, and I'm stumped, especially since I've replaced all the hardware.

BTW, I've configured her Win7 the same way I've got mine. My machine runs flawlessly.

Here's some more info:
*System specs
*I ran MSI Afterburner logging when she crashed the last time. Here's a that log file. The last log item was the one in question and from 11/30. The crash took place around 10:45. Everything looks normal AFAICT.
*I also ran DM Log Collector. It has the event logs after the crashes. Here it is.

I'm looking for other things to check, or possible solutions.
 
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I was first going to say either the PSU or motherboard, but you replaced everything. BTW I'm not sure what site that "piriform" is, so what PSU do you have?

Another possibility could be something along the lines of the actual wiring in the house in that particular area. Maybe there are some bad spikes on the AC, or some other fault only affecting her computer in that location, in which moving it could see if it fixes the problem. Not something I ever really recommend, but when you replace every PC component drastic measures (well, it's not that drastic) must be taken, or you got unlucky and got a faulty or bad component out of the ones you replaced.
I was first going to say either the PSU or motherboard, but you replaced everything. BTW I'm not sure what site that "piriform" is, so what PSU do you have?

Another possibility could be something along the lines of the actual wiring in the house in that particular area. Maybe there are some bad spikes on the AC, or some other fault only affecting her computer in that location, in which moving it could see if it fixes the problem. Not something I ever really recommend, but when you replace every PC component drastic measures (well, it's not that drastic) must be taken, or you got unlucky and got a faulty or bad component out of the ones you replaced.
 
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^ Had similar thoughts as above. Would like to know more about the PSU, then talk about the circuit her machine is on in the house. I have encountered before sensitive electronics that are on the same circuit as something that has a large current draw at cycling (refrigerator, sump pump), overcoming the line conditioning abilities of a PSU......and cause issues like this.
 
something that have reg flags on your postings..one is the cpu temp at 54c. if the rig using a stock cooler in not on right. try a good after market cooler get the idle temp to 35-40c. on the mb make sure it has the newest bios file and the ram is in the right ram slot. alos turn on xmp profile. ran right now is at little over 1333 speed. if it 1600 ran it under clocked. with a 3 party sound card make sure the onboard sound is off to free up irq and memory ranges. on the z77 asus mb they can run at pci 3.0 or pci 2.0 mode. try slowing the pci bus to 2.0 mode see if the older gpu runs. if it does it could be chipset of the mb or the gpu. on the gpu see if there any firmware updates for it.
 

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The power supply is now a Corsair TX850. It came out of my PC and went into hers. It ran great in mine without problem.

The AC could be an issue, but I don't think it has to do with something else on that circuit starting, or running. The crashes don't follow any pattern like that.

I didn't thin 54C was too hot for a CPU. I thought above 70C was when you start to worry. That said, I can try another cooler perhaps. I've got a Scythe Samurai ZZ sitting around doing nothing.

It does have latest BIOS and I verified that the ram sticks are in the right slots. Onboard sound is disabled. Memory timings could be part of the problem, though it's weird since I've changed out everything. I'll look into that too.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll work on checking those things and will post an update asap.
 

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I would swap the power cable for a new one along with putting it on a surge protector or battery back up type of thing.. I had a similar issue however mine was due to compatibility issues with my SSD and motherboard bios version
 

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The PC is currently running BIOS 2105. I tried the Intel Update Utility. It came back saying, "There are no drivers for this product."

I did discover that the CPU timings were set on manual in the BIOS. I did change them to XMP.
 

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I tested with just changing the CPU profile to XPS. Still black screened. I'll check the AI Tuner settings.

I can't find the 1155 mount for the Scythe. Our basement is torn apart and there are computer boxes everywhere. ;)

BTW, the video card is supposed to support PCI Express 3.0, do you think I should try PCI 2.0 still?

I double-checked that the RAM is in the recommended slots. I went to the Crucial website and they say that this memory is compatible with this motherboard. I disabled the AI Tuner overclocking, so it should be standard now. I'm going to throw a UPS on it and test it again.
 

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Ok. Will do.

I ran a test in The Secret World (which is the one that usually crashes the quickest). I ran for about 20 minutes and it didn't crash. This is with the overclocking tweaks and the machine on an UPS. Since I've seen the game crash the first time after a much longer play session, I won't know for sure until I can have her test it more thoroughly. I'll have her play something most of the day tomorrow and I'll update you all on the results.
 

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My wife has been playing Endless Legend all morning and not one crash. I did change some of the BIOS settings, so that may have been the problem. However, since I've changed all the hardware, and the previous hardware was having the same problem, I suspect that the power from the house was the culprit.

I plugged her PC into the UPS I was using for my HTPC backend. It was plugged into a surge suppressor before, but that thing is probably 20 years old. The wiring is the one thing that remained constant between both builds of her PC (besides the monitor and mouse). So I do believe the house power was the problem.

Thank you guys/girls so much for your help! I think I was approaching the point where my wife was getting ready to give up on gaming.