Screen Tearing Issues

CmdrJeffSinclair · Dec 24, 2015

Just built a new PC and ALL of my games are getting insanely high frame rates even at max graphics.

Vsync removes horizontal screen tears from high FPS but causes insane stutter
Turning off vsync solves the stutter but reintroduces tearing
Using AMD Crimson with Vsync doesn't help, same issues above
Using AMD Frame Rate Target Control barely works on any of my games
Can't get Rivatuner, MSI Afterburner or Dxtory to help with FPS

Wolfenstein the New Order in particular is just REFUSING to work well at all no matter what I do. It's like ID made the game specifically to screen tear and annoy me.

I use an Optoma HD141X 1080p3D home theater projector, with a 16 microsecond pixel response time (nearly 1000 faster than the best tournament Asus monitors) so please do not suggest buying an AMD Freesync capable monitor. I game on a 10 foot screen...I'll never replace the projector until gaming projectors come out capable of much more!

(P.S. The projector is capable of genuine 144Hz in 1080p except that its HDMI is 1.4b, so even though I have an HDMI 2.0 cable I can only achieve 1080p60 or 720p120/144)

PC Specs in signature (5820k with r9 390 latest drivers)

photonboy · Dec 24, 2015

Hi,
VSYNC will cause STUTTERING if you can't output above the target (i.e. can output 144FPS+ at a 144Hz refresh).

This is because you get a mix of frame times.

The SOLUTION while still enabling VSYNC is to either:
a) reduce the refresh rate of the device (i.e. drop to 60Hz), or

b) use a "HALF Dynamic VSYNC" rate (offered in RadeonPro... not sure about Crimson).

*In your case I suggest staying with 1080p@60Hz, then simply ensure you stay at 60FPS while using VSYNC (or Dynamic VSYNC). The half method is fine and would give 72FPS but then apparently you'd be running 720p so that doesn't seem ideal.

Other:
1) Frame Rate Target Control
- that's just capping a target frame rate AFAIK, so it's not going to help with screen tearing (it may also be a big buggy with the Crimson software so new)

2) pixel response time on projector:
response time only affects blurring/ghosting as it's how long the pixels take to change color (think a white ball moving against a black background leaving a trail because the pixels take to long to turn black again).

VSYNC and stutter have nothing to do with this.

3) There are other causes of stuttering besides the VSYNC mismatch.

Summary:
again, start with maintaining a solid 60FPS experience with VSYNC enabled which should be pretty easy with your hardware.

Update:
If still having issues, remove the latest Crimson drivers and use the older version for now.

photonboy · Dec 24, 2015

Update:
Your projector can only achieve up to 144Hz by multiplying an external input.

For example, it might take a 24Hz movie and multiply by X6. In that cases it pulses the same frame six times (theaters do something similar as this reduces motion blur).

So I'm guessing the best input is still 1920x1080 at 60Hz which means your limited to 60FPS true input.

Update 2:
Is it possible you've got a setting screwed up on the projector?

Can you attach a monitor and see if it works fine?

CmdrJeffSinclair · Dec 24, 2015

photonboy :

Hey so my real FPS is averaging 130-160, so I'm so far past 60 that Vsync should be fine but the #$#@ choppiness. The RadeonPRO did not work at all. The game in particular is Wolfenstein the New Order. It is resisting a dozen FPS Limiter programs. DXtory looked like it was working but crashes within 5 seconds because it has no DX11 support.

I'M GOING TO GO @#$%@#$ CRAZY I JUST WANT TO PLAY A #@$@# GAME!!

No the projector is fine too. I'm playing 65 games with no issues. Wolfenstein should be better than this. I'm so livid, I'm going to punch myself in the face!!!!

James Mason · Dec 24, 2015

Try Rivatuner, add the .exe for new blood to the list, and set the app detection level to high, and then set a frame limit.
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/rtss-rivatuner-statistics-server-download.html

Wait till you actually see the OSD of the frame rates in the upper corner before trying to load a save or start a new game or the game will crash because it hasn't been hooked/detected by RSS yet.

I also doubt your projector actually has 16 Microsecond display time. It's more likely 16 milliseconds, which is pretty bad for a "gaming monitor" and is typically the cause of screen tearing for low quality monitors that people try to game on. For gaming monitors, above 5ms is bad, you want 1-2ms idealy.

yeah it's milliseconds: http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/optoma-hd141x-projector-review-summary/

By running a timer that has increments of 1/1000 of a second, a photo will capture both timings. The projector normally will have more lag, so it will have a lower number as the projector hasn’t caught up to the laptop’s display. In the two images here, you see those two pair numbers and the difference in one is 0, and in the other, 17. I took a more than 2 dozen images. More than 2/3 of the time it reported 0 lag, and every other time right there at 16 or 17ms (milliseconds), except once which recorded 33ms. - See more at: http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/optoma-hd141x-projector-review-summary/#sthash.cyFS6PBI.dpuf

CmdrJeffSinclair · Dec 25, 2015

James Mason :

Thanks for the advice, careful with the projector, it is 16 microseconds bud. Look at the specs anytime you want on amazon

I'm trying the rivatuner again right now, wish me luck!!

Optoma HD141X
DLP Technology
Creates razor sharp pictures and amazing videos with incredible colors and brightness, while providing world class reliability and longevity. Advantages: Consistent Color Precision - BrilliantColor offers up to 6-color processing to produce accurate and vibrant colors on screen. Outstanding Readability - With high native contrast ratios, the deep blacks and crisp whites ensure that text and charts are easy to read. Fast Digital Video Performance - The DLP chip has a super fast response time of 16 microseconds and easily supports up to 144Hz refresh rates.

If the ad was wrong then oh well, this is an amazing projector

CmdrJeffSinclair · Dec 25, 2015

Uhg, I did as you wrote, set the FPS cap to 60, enabled High detection, and when that didn't work booted about a dozen times playing with settings. No OSD, playewd the game, mega tearing. Why is Vsync doing this? My FPS is steady and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over 60. 65 games and only this one is doing this. I HATE YOU ID GAMES!! uhg

it did not work. Maybe Riva is having trouble with Win10 like FRAPS is. This is so depressing! Easily one of my favorite games is humbling my system because it's too cool for school :'(

I really hope someone has another trick up his/her sleeve

James Mason · Dec 27, 2015

I'm 99% sure that ad is wrong. Either someone who doesn't know what the term ms means wrote it, or they're merely stating what the technology can do, and not what the project actually does. Because other reviews of the projector measure the response time between 16-33ms, which is really bad for gaming.

Here's how to get the OSD to show up for Wolfenstein:

CmdrJeffSinclair · Dec 27, 2015

James Mason :

That picture helped. I now see Rivatuner working and the frame cap is properly activated...but the screen tearing is totally there still. I had heard about ID games being totally messed up for screen tearing and also having Vsync issues, it's too bad. I am just enabling vsync, that's how bad the tearing is that stutter which can interfere with aiming is actually less detrimental.

Too bad it didn't work however now I know exactly how to play games with the Rivatuner, frame capping usually helps so this will be nice for many other games!

As for the projector...it really doesn't matter. I've played on LG TV's!!!! 333ms delay!! I did just fine. This projector is very very adequate for any game

wakafaka · Feb 10, 2016

That 1 ms is not real time for BenQ/asus 144 hz monitors.It's more like 30~40 ms
U need a program that alow GPU to send only 1 frame per 6.94 ms and that will eliminate stacking frames(tearing) i used this program once...unfortunately i need her again(reinstalled Win7 and have tearing) but i dont remember the name of the program

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