Newly Upgraded CPU, Now have fps drops in most games AMD fx 9370

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Specs
AMD 8370
Corsair Cx 750 Watt
Cooler Master 212 EVO cooler
Crucial Ballistix sport 8gb single DDR3
ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS
MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770

So ever since upgrading my cpu from the AMD fx 6300, Ihave had huge improvements in fps.
But in most games I get huge FPS drops (from 100 to about 25-30) and i cant seem to find out why. Most people say temps, but nothing goes above 65 c in my comp even under extreme stress.
If anyone could give any insight that would be much appreciated.

Riptorz · Dec 27, 2015

What games?

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Riptorz :

for example my fps in BF4 went up by about 25 fps in general but will randomly drop to about 28 when something happens (helicopter explodes, I turn a corner into a big area) which didn't happen before.

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Chargetwist :

Actually DOTA 2 (like cs go also source engine) had almost the worst case of this but disabling AMD turbo core fixed most of the Extreme drops in dota but there still there, and in other games

Riptorz · Dec 27, 2015

8370 is a fx 6300 with an additional 2 cores basically if you have MSI after burner make sure your GPU usage stays at 99% throughout gameplay that makes sure there's no bottleneck. Or atleast rules out a bottle neck. Secondly did you upgrade your ram when you upgraded your cpu? you should be using 2x sticks of ram instead of 1

Redneck5439 · Dec 27, 2015

How are you measuring you temps? AMD Overdrive is the only program that can accurately measure the true temp of FX processors. If you are using HWmonitor for example your temps may actually be above 70C even though its reporting 65C (which is still pretty hot). Are you overclcoked? The Hyper 212 EVO is capable of keeping the FX 8370 cool at overclocks up to 4.5Ghz, however it is best to have 2 fans in a push pull configuration on the Hyper 212 EVO and you should also make sure your case has a proper cooling scheme (ie pulling air from the front and bottom and pushing air out the top and back) and you have enough case fans. I would start with using AMD Overdrive to monitor your CPUs true temperatures and adding a second fan to your Hyper 212 EVO in a push pull configuration venting though either the top or back of the tower case.

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Riptorz :

Will test to see if its a gpu bottleneck, and no im sort of on a budget so i just kept my 1 stick.

Chargetwist · Dec 27, 2015

RobFromStateFarm :

Sorry about that, That reply was actually a mistake
However You should try using MSI afterburner to monitor your system if your processor is running at 100% when you play games it might be that your CPU is bottlenecking your graphics card.

Redneck5439 · Dec 27, 2015

With the FX 8370 I find it hard to believe it would bottleneck a GTX 770. However it is easily enough rectified, simply do a relatively mild overclock to 4.5Ghz which should ensure it doesn't bottleneck. I have a R9 290 and the exact same processor (use to be on the Hyper 212 EVO as well). When I was still using the Hyper 212 EVO I had my FX 8370 overclocked to 4.5Ghz and never had a bottleneck. I had my Hyper 212 EVO set up with 2 cooling fans in push pull configuration and good air flow though my case.

I would start with ensuring you aren't experiencing thermal throttling though. Adding the second fan to the Hyper 212 EVO would ensure its getting enough cooling not to thermal throttle, and then if you do need to overclock your ready to push your processor a little.

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Redneck5439 :

How are you measuring you temps? AMD Overdrive is the only program that can accurately measure the true temp of FX processors. If you are using HWmonitor for example your temps may actually be above 70C even though its reporting 65C (which is still pretty hot). Are you overclcoked? The Hyper 212 EVO is capable of keeping the FX 8370 cool at overclocks up to 4.5Ghz, however it is best to have 2 fans in a push pull configuration on the Hyper 212 EVO and you should also make sure your case has a proper cooling scheme (ie pulling air from the front and bottom and pushing air out the top and back) and you have enough case fans. I would start with using AMD Overdrive to monitor your CPUs true temperatures and adding a second fan to your Hyper 212 EVO in a push pull configuration venting though either the top or back of the tower case.

Was using overdrive to measure temps

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Redneck5439 :

Just to be clear my case is 45% vents have more fans than can count on my fingers and overdrive says my temps are good but after burner was saying even on BF4 in heavy fire i was sitting at 80% gpu usage? Sounds like a problem and would like to hear solutions.

thanks for all the help so far guys
PS. was only sitting at 4 Ghz can clock to 4.5 and retest if nessisary

Chargetwist · Dec 27, 2015

Are you V-synced and what resolution are you playing at?

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Chargetwist :

Not V-synced and my tv is 1824 by 1026

Chargetwist · Dec 27, 2015

What about anti-aliasing or Multisampling If you have these settings up turning them down would lead to a performance increase.

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

Chargetwist :

ya but no mater what i putt the settings on i get these fps drops, and with 4.5 clock i still waver around 75-90 gpu usage a lot near 85%

madmatt30 · Dec 27, 2015

That board is not good enough for an 8 core fx - the 6300 was the Max you should have been using in it.

An old 4 phase 760g board with no vrm sinks paired with an 8 core fx & a big tower cooler (further removing airflow from the vrm's) is a recipe for disaster mate & is an absolute certainty for vrm throttling.

Be glad that Asus boards are good quality , an equivalent spec board from MSI or asrock would likely have failed completely under heavy loads.

Is this an 8370 or a 9370 you're using ???
You've mentioned different CPU's in the title & the actual thread

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

madmatt30 :

Ya sorry definitely a 8370, and i dont understand (sorry) how i am not getting enough airflow when my cpu barely hits 60 Celsius?

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

madmatt30 :

and would u suggest i put in the smaller stock cpu fan to increase airflow?

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

After much testing I have narowed it down to throttling, any thoughts on how to avoid the cpu throttling i am having?

madmatt30 · Dec 27, 2015

RobFromStateFarm :

testing for throttling is incredibly easy mate in all honesty
amd overdrive - cpu status tab onscreen
run a standard prime test - watch your clocks bouncing all over the place - if thermal margin goes in the red thats the cpu throttling
if cpu temps/thermal margins are fine then its vrm/board throttling

options ??

a few

1.new motherboard - not what you want to hear but ultimately the only 100% certainty to run a 8370 properly & get the most from it
2.drop clocks & voltage (not easy on that board as I know personally) to such an extent as to remove vrm overheating - pointless as you may have stuck with the 6300
3. put your stock cooler back on - meh - not that great an option - 'may' help with vrm temps at the expense of a hot cpu - on that board I honestly doubt itll do any good personally.
4. Big aftermarket downblower - reaijintek pallas,thermalright axp140 or similar - what I use ,does a good job but still not sure if its enough to tame vrm temps with an 8 core - these coolers are not cheap either
5. free (almost) option - ghetto vrm cooling - you have at least one stock amd fan (maybe 2 if you had a 6300 before??)
take those 2 fans,stick em together side by side.then you need a modicum of tech experience & a spare molex connector off an old psu/fan etc.
wire those fans to run at 7v with a molex to the psu & stick them down directly over the vrm set (either with thermal pads or pro grade hot glue)

I can in all honesty point you to a solution which will likely stop that throttling now - however Im pretty unwilling in that respect as currently theres a possibility of hardware damage if you remove that throttling - its there for a reason - to protect your components.

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

I would like to say that disabling cool and quiet on my bios i haven't throttled on max setting in bf4 or dota in and hour of intense play. Thanks for all the help so late at night.

madmatt30 · Dec 27, 2015

RobFromStateFarm :

cool * quiet disabling is not the best option mate !
if you do honestly want to stop the throttling now then

re-enable cool & quiet
disable apm

download this
http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/28540088/file.html

extract to desktop

double click the off.bat file
thatll stop the throttling which still allowing the cpu to downclock at low load ( you dont want full clocks/voltage constantly due to what ive mentioned before)

Ive shared this as its a better alternative to disabling cool & quiet.

Il urge you to keep turbo disabled though mate & try & introduce some vrm cooling in some form - you will have future hardware issues otherwise imo.
& this is from experience as Im running a build with exactly the same voltage regulation setup as your board.
You do not want constant 50c+ vrm temps which is what youll be getting at the moment!!

RobFromStateFarm · Dec 27, 2015

madmatt30 :

RobFromStateFarm :

testing for throttling is incredibly easy mate in all honesty
amd overdrive - cpu status tab onscreen
run a standard prime test - watch your clocks bouncing all over the place - if thermal margin goes in the red thats the cpu throttling
if cpu temps/thermal margins are fine then its vrm/board throttling

options ??

a few

1.new motherboard - not what you want to hear but ultimately the only 100% certainty to run a 8370 properly & get the most from it
2.drop clocks & voltage (not easy on that board as I know personally) to such an extent as to remove vrm overheating - pointless as you may have stuck with the 6300
3. put your stock cooler back on - meh - not that great an option - 'may' help with vrm temps at the expense of a hot cpu - on that board I honestly doubt itll do any good personally.
4. Big aftermarket downblower - reaijintek pallas,thermalright axp140 or similar - what I use ,does a good job but still not sure if its enough to tame vrm temps with an 8 core - these coolers are not cheap either
5. free (almost) option - ghetto vrm cooling - you have at least one stock amd fan (maybe 2 if you had a 6300 before??)
take those 2 fans,stick em together side by side.then you need a modicum of tech experience & a spare molex connector off an old psu/fan etc.
wire those fans to run at 7v with a molex to the psu & stick them down directly over the vrm set (either with thermal pads or pro grade hot glue)

I can in all honesty point you to a solution which will likely stop that throttling now - however Im pretty unwilling in that respect as currently theres a possibility of hardware damage if you remove that throttling - its there for a reason - to protect your components.

Tbh my temps were all in the green my volts were fine but the cool and quiet feature on my amd mobo was cutting useage of my cpu to save power lol. After disableing that my fps drops became nonexistent. But thanks for the help. :wahoo:

madmatt30 · Dec 27, 2015

RobFromStateFarm :

I understand youre happy to stop the throttling mate but your missing the importance of the vrm set,vrm temps & voltage regulation.
Ive done a lot of testing on the little asus 760g boards,with a stock cooler,vrm temps were mid 40's, with an evo pushing 60c,with a pallas/other aftermarket downblower/secondary ghetto vrm heating - mid 20's
& this is with a conservatively overclocked 6300
those vrm's are rated at 85c - I would not personally want to be over 50c at any point in time - yours will be at those temps constantly if c&q is disabled - ignore the cpu temps - of course theyll be fine with an evo fitted ,but theres no accurate software way of measuring vrm temps - you need an infrared thermostat for that.

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