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Im asking here after trying everything I could think, I dont know what to do anymore, please help.

Recently I started to experience this issue playing Fallout 4, the game runs perfectly at 60fps most of the time, but since a few days it started to stutter after a while. It started super smooth and after maybe an hour framerate drops to 30/20 for 4 or 5 seconds and goes back to 60 fps and repeats.
Then, it started to happen more often, maybe after 10 minutes, and now after one minute and more frequently.
Now its happening with other games, Dying light and MetalGear V :(
I upgraded my PC 4 or 5 months ago with a new graphics card, RAM and CPU.
It happened before with metal gear, then I cleaned all the dust and problem was fixed.
I did the same now but with no effect.
Changed stuff in the BIOS, the cool and quiet and thermal throttle.
Set manually the timing of the RAM in the bios to 1333.
Tried with the performance setting in the bios, then the default one, and nothing.
Of course defragmented and checked no programs running on background, and disabled antivirus,
Im using afterburner to check the temps and usage, and I cant see anything different from before, temps are perfect, maybe gpu a little too high at 60c, but nothing new, it always reached those temps before and everything ran absolutely perfect.
Tried changing the pagefile size with no effect either.
This configuration used to play all games with no problems at all, something is happening and I dont know what
Please help, I really dont know what to do anymore and I feel so frustrated, its unplayable :(

My specs:

os: Win 7 Ultimate 64bits
cpu: FX 6300 stock speeds.
gpu: MSI GTX 750 2gb
ram: 1x2gb 1x8gb
psu: thermaltake 500w


 
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I don't know about all the games you listed, but I do know that there have been many threads on many tech sites lately complaining about your exact issue with Fallout 4. I haven't noticed any issues in that game yet, but with the wife, kids, horse business, computer repair and custom build business, I haven't really progressed that far in the game yet:lol: Your issues may be those games have issues. I would suggest before doing anything else hardware wise to check and make sure you have all the latest game patches for the games you are having trouble with.

Next I would recommend updating to Windows 10 then doing a clean install of the OS. Windows 7 was great, however if you want to...
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Have you tried pulling the 2GB ram stick and only using the 8GB? Normally you want RAM of the same type when you are using multiple sticks (probably wont help but might), also when you cleaned the dust did you also clean the PSU and PSU filter, power shouldnt be an issue but its always something i recommend checking
 
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Sorry depends on the case (normally only present on bottom mount PSU cases), other then that just make sure the PSU is clean, try the RAM and see if there is any improvement if not might have do some more digging
 
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What jumps out at me right away is your RAM situation. RAM is a funny thing, if you have 2 sticks of the same exact RAM at the same exact speed and size but from different batches they may not run right together. That is why dual channel RAM is sold in pairs (or in quad) all from the same batch all guaranteed to run right together. Now you have a 2GB and 8GB stick in dual channel, that is more than likely causing instability. I would recommend removing the 2GB stick and just keeping the 8GB stick and see if your problem persists. You should also flash the latest version of bios for your motherboard and see if you still are having problems.
 
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What jumps out at me right away is your RAM situation. RAM is a funny thing, if you have 2 sticks of the same exact RAM at the same exact speed and size but from different batches they may not run right together. That is why dual channel RAM is sold in pairs (or in quad) all from the same batch all guaranteed to run right together. Now you have a 2GB and 8GB stick in dual channel, that is more than likely causing instability. I would recommend removing the 2GB stick and just keeping the 8GB stick and see if your problem persists. You should also flash the latest version of bios for your motherboard and see if you still are having problems.[/quotemsg]

Im back.
Removed the 2gb ram stick, played for a while, still the same.
games are super smooth, then fps goes down to like 20fps for some seconds, then again to 60......how is it even possible, you cant believe how frustrating this is to me, I invested a lot of money that cost me a lot of effort, and now, suddenly for whatever arbitrary reason Im banned from my own games, why??



 
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You might notice that fps are uncapped, above 60, its because resintalled drivers and forgot to cap the fps.
Capped or not the issue is the same in every game except those less gpu/cpu intensive.
Also changed the stick to the other slot just in case, but problem persists :(



 
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What you are looking at could be cased by a couple rather common issues. Your GPU temps seem to be okay, but we have to check your CPU. First of all download Prime 95 and AMD Overdrive. Have AMD Overdrive open and click on CPU monitor the numbers your going to be watching are your CPU usage and thermal margins. Now launch Prime 95 and run a blend test. All your processor cores should stay at 100% and you have to monitor your thermal margins with AMD Overdrive. If one of your cores stops running and usage goes down you have an instability problem and if your thermal margin dips below 10C shut down Prime 95. If your thermal margin dips below 10C your system will need an aftermarket CPU cooler as you are more than likely experiencing thermal throttling in game. If Prime 95 runs for 20 min with all cores at 100% and your thermal margin stays above 10C then your processor is stable and isn't thermal throttling.

If your processor is stable and isn't thermal throttling you may be experiencing a bottleneck and the next step will be to overclock your processor to hopefully eliminate the bottleneck. Always overclock in bios don't overclock using Overdrive.
 
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Possible I suppose. I have an FX 8120, and ran for a while with a radeon 7850. I'm ironically changing the cpu to the FX 6300, hoping to overclock the thing to 4.5 ghz or more and selling the 8120. I know it's not really an upgrade, but gives a new chip to play with.

Anyway, don't think my 8120 really bottlenecked my 7850, which performance wise is on the level with the 750ti. Really, the 6300 should be slightly better single threaded anyway than the 8120 was, so not sure why it would bottleneck. In either case, op, you might consider slapping a cooler master hyper 212 onto that 6300 and getting a little bit better psu, then overclock the 6300.
 
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Your going from Bulldozer to Piledriver, that actually a good upgrade:D
 
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Your going from Bulldozer to Piledriver, that actually a good upgrade:D


Hi guys, sorry I didnt reply before!

_ Im already using a cooler, factory cooler was atrocious in sound and temperature. Cpu temps went maybe closer to 50c, but it always stays at mid 40's
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_Someone linked me to a reddit sub where I shared some information that could be useful.

A LOG FROM AFTERBURNER
You need to have it installed tobe able to view it properly, sorry :(
An user said about it: "From what I can see, there's a decrease in power and core clock, together with the FPS drops (1st log, near end of graphs). As to why this is happening, I don't know. I'm guessing the power supply. But 500W should be enough."

_SCREENSHOT LOW FRAMERATE
_SCREENSHOT AT 60FPS

_Again, sorry for the delay, I just realized its the last day of 2015 LOL :)

_Thanks Redneck, gonna try that when I have some time :)




 
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Yeah I'm torn a little because it's like I'm losing 2 cores but know single core performance is slightly better, I can't help but wonder if I'm shooting myself in the foot lol. I really did it because I had Christmas money and have an Athlon II x4 cpu, ddr3, hard drive, optical drive, etc sitting around, but needed a motherboard to build another system for my wife. So anyway, was at the local Microcenter and grabbed a cheap gigabyte board and the FX 6300 on a whim, as well as a Cooler Master Hyper T2. I've actually got a Cooler Master v6 gt cooling my 8120 which is at 4ghz, but looking on ebay, the 8120 seems worth almost 80 bucks, so I'm thinking re-use the v6 gt, drop in the FX 6300, push the poor FX 6300 as far as I dare for 24x7, and between returning the T2 and selling the 8120, I should recoup almost the entire price of the combo I bought and still have enough to buy a case, as well as the new Assassin's Creed Syndicate game. Then start stuffing $$ away for the release of Zen, and decide at that point if I'm staying loyal to AMD or looking for an intel rig.


The cooler shown above I've seen on ebay, wondered how good they were.
 
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I don't know about all the games you listed, but I do know that there have been many threads on many tech sites lately complaining about your exact issue with Fallout 4. I haven't noticed any issues in that game yet, but with the wife, kids, horse business, computer repair and custom build business, I haven't really progressed that far in the game yet:lol: Your issues may be those games have issues. I would suggest before doing anything else hardware wise to check and make sure you have all the latest game patches for the games you are having trouble with.

Next I would recommend updating to Windows 10 then doing a clean install of the OS. Windows 7 was great, however if you want to be able to video game 2016+ your going to need to get DX12 sooner or later. Might as well upgrade to Windows 10 now while its still free to do so. Upgrade to Windows 10 though Windows Update (so your license is carried over properly into Windows 10, may not be necessary anymore but I like to do it that way just to be sure) and once your on Windows 10 back up all your important files and do a clean install of the new OS totally removing all your old files. This will ensure you don't have any old file or driver fragments lurking about that could cause a software conflict. Upgrading to Windows 10 and doing a clean install of the OS may indeed fix your issues if you have old driver file fragments or other software conflicts causing your issues. If that doesn't fix your problem then the next step overclocking.

The next step I think will be to overclock your processor. First we have to ensure you have enough thermal overhead to allow overclocking. Download and run Prime 95 blend test for about 20 min. None of your cores should report an error and your temps should never exceed 45 - 50C at stock (so we know you have enough overhead for some overclocking). You are going to want to download AMD Overdrive to monitor your temps (only program that accurately displays FX temps while in Windows) just never actually overclock with Overdrive. Overdrive will display your thermal margin (how much headway you have till you reach the thermal limit of the processor) so in Overdrive your thermal margin should be at least 20 - 25C under full load to allow a little overclocking. I suggest watching the following video to familiarize yourself with overclocking FX Piledriver processors: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckeAmnDeTk
 
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Thanks Redneck, I really appreciate your time trying to help me :) :) :) :)
Gonna try some of the things you mention!
Again, thanks!

Cya :)




 
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