Cloning HDD > SSHD - Question re: Recovery Partitions

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I've got a bunch of Lenovo laptops here that I want to upgrade with Hybrid Drives (of the same capacity as the stock drives)

I'd very much like to retain the Lenovo-installed recovery partitions.

I've got a startech disc-to-disc hardware cloning dock (which I've used to upgrade other people's HDDs in the past with no trouble)

I'm just wondering if there's any reason why the recovery partitions might not function on the SSHDs that I haven't thought of?

I know from experience that using software cloning onto smaller SSDs 'killed' the recovery partition, since they look for data in specific sectors of the disc. I've got no experience of SSHD behaviour so I could use some reassurance that this is going to work before spending money!

Thanks for reading,
Dan
 
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Based on our experience cloning drives containing System Recovery partitions to a SSHD destination disk, I can't recall encountering any problem in doing so. I'm fairly certain at one time or another a Lenovo laptop/notebook served as the destination disk but I can't say for certain. Of course there's little to lose trying the disk-cloning operation. Alternatively, (or in addition), you could contact Lenovo and see what they have to say about this matter.

BTW, we're not particularly fond of those docks that have some sort of built-in disk-cloning capability. We tried at least two of them and for one reason or another weren't thrilled with their performance. However, pretty sure the Startech model was not one of them. I take it you're...
Based on our experience cloning drives containing System Recovery partitions to a SSHD destination disk, I can't recall encountering any problem in doing so. I'm fairly certain at one time or another a Lenovo laptop/notebook served as the destination disk but I can't say for certain. Of course there's little to lose trying the disk-cloning operation. Alternatively, (or in addition), you could contact Lenovo and see what they have to say about this matter.

BTW, we're not particularly fond of those docks that have some sort of built-in disk-cloning capability. We tried at least two of them and for one reason or another weren't thrilled with their performance. However, pretty sure the Startech model was not one of them. I take it you're satisfied with its general performance. It's a current model?
 
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Contacting Lenovo is akin to punching oneself in the face - ie fruitless. Your experience I do value however, so I shall attempt it with a single machine and see how it goes!

(As far as there being 'little to lose', it's a case of money really. I have the laptops but not the SSHDs at the moment. I've chosen SSHD because of the price/capacity factors - I'd have chosen SSD if money allowed but I'd need 500GB units in order to clone the recovery partitions and SSDs of that size are cost prohibitive. If cloning those recovery sectors had been impossible, I would have simply opted to use the 240GB SSDs I already have lying around instead and done clean installs.)

Regarding the Startech dock, it's about a year old, and I can't fault it at all. I've succesfully cloned HDDs and SSDs to larger versions of the same type of drive with zero issues (all on behalf of my customers). I've even cloned discs with mechanical faults to new drives in order to recover large files that could not be recovered by conventional means due to the erratic drive behaviour. As far as exact duplication goes, it's the best solution I've ever encountered - vastly superior to any software solution I've tried and so far 100% success rate. Obviously you can't clone data to a smaller drive, but that's a hit-and-miss area at the best of times right? ;)

Back on topic, any particular recommendations for SSHD models? I get really annoyed with those drives that intermittently 'chirp' when idling (a lower frequency click or growl is preferable as I have very sensitive hearing!)
 
Taking your last query first re whether I have any particular recommendations involving SSDHs, my answer is a resounding "no". For one thing I've had precious little experience with those devices and as a general proposition I'm not thrilled with their performance. The users I've spoken to about their experience with their SSHDs more-or-less parallels mine. Seems for a variety of purposes it's a concept that offers more than it delivers. But that's one man's opinion of course and since you may be investing in that technology it would be well for you to research the issue a good deal further.

Glad to hear you're more than satisfied with that Startech docking/cloning station. I'll look into it further but I really don't think it's a route we'll take. We've been using the Casper disk-cloning program for about a dozen years now and I've never found a program its equal. While we obviously have some interest in a "one-shot" disk-to-disk cloning operation involving the typical scenario of cloning the contents of a user's HDD to his/her shiny new SSD, our primary interest is using the program for comprehensive system backup operations. We clone our drives quite frequently - many times even daily and rarely less than a few times per week. In that way we maintain up-to-date comprehensive backups of our systems and are quite comfortable with the peace-of-mind that process yields. The particular value of the Casper program (aside from its general effectiveness, ease-of-use, partition manipulation, and a few other goodies) is in its speed of operations when the program is used routinely/frequently.

Our desktop PCs are all equipped with mobile racks (removable drives for both HDD & SSD), so we have great flexibility with the disk-cloning operations. And, of course, we utilize USB external HDD/SSD enclosures as well when the situation calls for it.

You might want to take a look at the Casper program. There's a 15-day trial version available. It's slightly crippled re partition manipulation but it can give you a fairly good idea of the commercial version which sells for $49.99. See http://www.fssdev.com
No reason why you couldn't use the program with your Startech device. Keep in mind, however, that it's chief value is when the program will be used - and used fairly frequently - for comprehensive backup purposes of one's system.
 

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I think we're looking at two fundamentally different typical usage scenarios here.

These laptops are going to see only light use - email, office, web browsing - and all important documents are saved directly to (multiple) external drives. Comprehensive backups have no real benefit here since so little data is stored on the machines.

My main objective is to minimise boot-up time and speed up basic OS operations. The comparison videos I've seen on youtube seem to demonstrate major improvement in these areas (particularly on netbooks which can be rather slow to boot-up).

I will look into the Casper software though, sounds interesting and may well come in handy when one of those awkward jobs springs up!

Thanks for the detailed input - lots to think about there. My primary concern - whether there's any structural difference between HDD and SSHD that might impede cloning - has been addressed so I'll mark that as the solution and thank you for your assistance :)
 
Yes, you've given me a clear picture of your primary, if not exclusive, interest re the issue we've been discussing. I suppose it's another case of "different strokes for different folks".

Obviously a disk-cloning program is not designed to speed up OS operations in any appreciable way. It's exclusive objective is to create a precise copy of the source disk taking into consideration any differences in disk-size between the source & destination disks. It's ultimate value, of course, is that by achieving this objective the user has at hand a bootable, completely functional drive with all data immediately accessible to the user, so that in the event of his/her day-to-day working HDD/SSD becoming mechanically/electronically defective and thus completely unusable or if that drive becomes so system corrupt that it's similarly unusable, the user can easily & quickly resurrect his/her system to a functional state.

BTW, in the meantime I got in touch with Casper's tech support re the cloning of a HDD to a SSDH and their response paralleled my earlier one in that Casper should have no issues performing such a backup. I would guess that capability would similarly extend to any disk-cloning program. Of course, in the final analysis your experience is the crucial one.
 

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That's reassuring to know - thanks!

I shall report back with some stats when I've done the first upgrade (boot times/disc access speed/usability of recovery partition etc.) in case other people benefit from it :)
 

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