PNY Geforce GT 730 VS Radeon HIS ICEQ 4850 PLEASE HELP!!!

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Hey guys, i had just bought a PNY geforce 730 GT 2gig DDR3 Mem Vs my old Radeon HIS ICEQ 4850 with 512 DDR3 Memory, the geforce is alot smaller than my Radeon ICEQ. The Radeon can only goto directx 9 OR 10 i think? But the Geforce i bought goes up to directx 11, yet its running games slower?... Please help.

turkey3_scratch · Jan 7, 2016

Did you uninstall drivers with the display driver uninstaller before installing the new ones?

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Ohh Lol no i didnt do that ill try that thanks!!!!

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

But the pny card is faster and better right? I mean it is smaller and looks more wussy than my radeon LOL

turkey3_scratch · Jan 7, 2016

Yes far more powerful. You didn't uninstall and install the new drivers which is why your performance is bad. The display driver uninstaller is found online. GT 730 drivers are on Nvidia's website.

rhysiam · Jan 7, 2016

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think your "new" card is actually substantially slower than the old card you're replacing.

Though really old now, that 4850 was a serious gaming card when it was released. The GT 730 (DDR3) on the other hand was never really intended to be a proper gaming card. Okay for casual gaming, but it's really entry level and actually slower than some integrated graphics solutions.

Have a look at Tom's hierarchy chart (it's not a perfect science, but gives you a quick approximation of GPU performance): http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
You'll find your old 4850 down in the tier 13 (alongside Intel 530), but your current GT 730 is the 128 bit DDR3 model which is all the way down in tier 19. It's a good deal slower.

Sorry - but you've accidentally downgraded your GPU there. Any chance you can return it?

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Alright thanks alot bro, kinda had me worried since it does look wussy LOL! Im working on uninstalling all drivers and reinstalling.

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Yeah i can return it i believe, wth though? how is it slower with more memory and all that jazz?

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

P.S I believe the Radeon ICEQ 4850 is also DDR3.. I dont understand Lmao

rhysiam · Jan 7, 2016

bytron2007 :

Actually, if you look closely you'll find the 4850 has "GDDR3" memory - that "G" is important.

If you want to upgrade you should wait until you have the budget for something in the range of a 750ti or 260X. At US pricing they start just over the $100 mark. Anything less than that and you're not getting a significant performance improvement. Unless you really need DX11?

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Thanks rhy for your anwser, I was wondering that. How can a sucky video card run directx 11 and up and mine cant yet my old one is more powerful? And can only run directx 10 WTF!?! Ugh Lol.

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Guess ill be returning it, mother ***** Lol

rhysiam · Jan 7, 2016

bytron2007 :

Yeah, it's frustrating for sure.

Unfortunately those cheap entry level graphics cards tend to be really bad options for gaming. Both AMD and Nvidia often just rebadge much older designs with minimal tweaks.

The GPU at the heart of that GT 730, for example, was originally released in Jan 2011 as the 520M, an entry level laptop (!) gaming option. So although the naming scheme suggests the 730 is a "newer" card, it's really not.

That 4850 you have, though 2 and half years older again (released mid 2008), was once a potent desktop card, it has almost double the transistors of the GT 730, a better memory controller with faster graphics memory and has the power delivery and cooling to draw well over double the power. Though older, it's a better card.

Sorry again to be the bearer of bad news! You're not the first to get caught out by the labelling. Dot points like 2GB RAM and DX11 look great on paper, but sometimes they cover up a low end and outdated piece of hardware.

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Thanks Rhy again, UGH i knew it was kinda fishy, sucks how its all just about money anyway LOL! But yeah, the box shouldnt say for better gaming power than previous gaming cards and all that BS... what in the fucking fuck. Cant believe anything today what anything says, but seriously, I wish things wasnt like that

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Its like a video game saying its the best with millions of players and yet it sucks.

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

So i got one more question... I have a Gigabyte gma770ud3 motherboard with pci express 2.0, A phenom x2 quadcore at i think 3 gigz, with 2 gigs of ram. And a PSU of 400. What video card do you suggest that can run maybe directx 11 or 12 games on medium at best? At maybe over $100? 750ti and 260X? Is that Radeon and Geforce?

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Thanks again for your reply you were alot of help.

bytron2007 · Jan 7, 2016

Taking that MOFO back tomorrow Lol

turkey3_scratch · Jan 7, 2016

Everyone here disagrees, some of our top experts saying the 730 is far better: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2218102/gt730-good-replacement-hd4850.html

You didn't install the drivers, so that's why it sucked. But, perhaps it is slower anyway.

rhysiam · Jan 7, 2016

turkey3_scratch :

Nvidia pulled a stupid move with the GT 730, there are actually 3 different cards, based on two entirely different GPUs: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-730/specifications
It confuses heaps of people... for good reason... such a frustrating marketing muck-up.

You can see in the thread you linked that they're specifically referencing the GDDR5 model, which is the fastest of the lot. Even that though, according to the GPU hierarchy chart I linked in my first post, is slightly slower than a 4850. I'd trust the Tom's GPU editor over a forum thread unless I had good reasons not to. In any case, it's absolutely true that the DDR3 models are significantly slower in most cases.

rhysiam · Jan 7, 2016

bytron2007 :

Okay, well a 260X isn't a great idea on a 400W PSU. So a 750 or 750ti would be a good fit. It would also be worth upgrading to at least 4GB of RAM. 2GB RAM is really, really tight. A single 4GB stick is about $20, with 2x4GB kits starting at under $40 (US prices) - just check your motherboard manual/specs to ensure it can handle 4GB DIMMs.

Phenom X2 are usually dual cores, do you mean a Phenom II X4? That's a quad core, and still a relatively capable entry-level gaming CPU. If it's the latter, then that rig with 8GB RAM and a 750ti would be a capable little gaming rig. You could play all the latest games on at least low and often medium settings or higher.

bytron2007 · Jan 8, 2016

Thanks rhy yeah i have 4 gig ram thought i had 2 lol. yeah Phenom II x4.. Sorry I havnt messed with computers in a while haha.

bytron2007 · Jan 8, 2016

Im surprised that the 4850 ran with my 375 PSU and it ran that forever? I think that card req like over 400 watts?

RobCrezz · Jan 8, 2016

I would suggest grabbing a 750 ti.

bytron2007 · Jan 8, 2016

Thanks for yalls comments. I think i would really prefer a radeon though, I mean my HIS ran forever and still does!!! Wish i could get another like it but more powerful lol. I guess maybe around the 100-130 dollar mark?

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