Dell T7500 or Custom build for gaming ?

eso259 · Jan 19, 2016

Dell T7500
got x2 X5670

the custom build is
Asus H97M
I5-4690K

need advice
thanks

bambiboom · Jan 19, 2016

eso259 :

eso259,

I'm a big fan of the Precision Tx500 series and the Xeon LGA1366 is one of the great CPU series. I think a Precision Tx500 can be excellent for gaming- they were expensive visualization system with big power supplies and server-like reliability, but the T7500 is surplus to need. As far as I know, there is no game that needs a dual CPU system and in fact games are strongly single-threaded and sometimes even run better without hyperthreading- hence the popularity if the Intel i5.

Of course, if you're getting some amazing bargain on a T7500, it can be upgraded in the same general way. The X5670 is a terrific CPU:

http://ark.intel.com/products/47920/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5670-12M-Cache-2_93-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI?q=X5670

> And, oddly that particular model seems to have CPU benchmarks that can be as high as for higher clock speed designs. However, the 2X 6-cores are not necessary and the 2.93/ 3.33GHz speeds can be bettered. There is a slight penalty with CPU's designed for dual use.

It's difficult to compare the T7500 to the custom build directly but I'd say that for gaming, an i5-4690- that can be overclocked on an ASUS H97M should fly past the T7500 in gaming. On Passmark, there are 9X i5-4690 / Asus H97M systems, the top one being:

Rating = 5328/ CPU=9117 (@ 4.5GHz) / 2D = 1102 (Radeon R9 280X)/ 3D = 5568 / Mem = 2508 / Disk = 7688 (Intel RAID 0)

The second place GPU is a GTX 760 with a 3D of 5314.

But an i5-4690K / MSI Z97-GC65 / GTX 980ti / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / 16GB system:

Rating = 6079/ CPU=9924 (@ 4.7GHz) / 2D = 1310 / 3D =15536 (2X in SLI?) / Mem = 3118 / Disk = 4987

> this shows the potential with very high end GPU(s) and fast disk is very, very good.

The top rated Precision T7500 / 2X Xeon X5670 of 22 tested:

Rating = 3520 / CPU=14009 (@ 2.9GHz) / 2D = 541 (Firepro W5000) / 3D = 3897 / Mem = 1700 (48GB) / Disk = 2678 (Crucial MX100 512GB)

However, with a GTX, the T7500 can have a very high 3D score:

2X Xeon X5687 / GTX 970: 3D = 8634
Xeon X5675 / GTX 780ti = 8254
2X Xeon W5580 = 7849
2X Xeon X5650 / GTX Titan X= 7569
Xeon W5590 / GTX 780 ti = 7502

So you can see that even with the X5650 which is a 2.6GHz, that the 3D can be excellent.

So, a direct comparison is a bit difficult, and the T7500 uses DDR3- 1333 RAM and has an SATA II 3/GB/s disk system. However, 1333 RAM has a Latency of 9 -and you can add a 6GB/s disk controller to the T7500/ I have a dell Perc H310 in a T5500 - $60 used off ebahhh- and that changed the disk from 1940 to 2649.

Overall, for gaming use I'd say, the i5-4960K (perhaps adding a GTX 970 or above and a fast SSD) is the clear winner.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> Logitech z2300 > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > 2X Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 48GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3500 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)

eso259 · Jan 19, 2016

bambiboom :

eso259 :

eso259,

I'm a big fan of the Precision Tx500 series and the Xeon LGA1366 is one of the great CPU series. I think a Precision Tx500 can be excellent for gaming- they were expensive visualization system with big power supplies and server-like reliability, but the T7500 is surplus to need. As far as I know, there is no game that needs a dual CPU system and in fact games are strongly single-threaded and sometimes even run better without hyperthreading- hence the popularity if the Intel i5.

Of course, if you're getting some amazing bargain on a T7500, it can be upgraded in the same general way. The X5670 is a terrific CPU:

http://ark.intel.com/products/47920/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5670-12M-Cache-2_93-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI?q=X5670

> And, oddly that particular model seems to have CPU benchmarks that can be as high as for higher clock speed designs. However, the 2X 6-cores are not necessary and the 2.93/ 3.33GHz speeds can be bettered. There is a slight penalty with CPU's designed for dual use.

It's difficult to compare the T7500 to the custom build directly but I'd say that for gaming, an i5-4690- that can be overclocked on an ASUS H97M should fly past the T7500 in gaming. On Passmark, there are 9X i5-4690 / Asus H97M systems, the top one being:

Rating = 5328/ CPU=9117 (@ 4.5GHz) / 2D = 1102 (Radeon R9 280X)/ 3D = 5568 / Mem = 2508 / Disk = 7688 (Intel RAID 0)

The second place GPU is a GTX 760 with a 3D of 5314.

But an i5-4690K / MSI Z97-GC65 / GTX 980ti / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / 16GB system:

Rating = 6079/ CPU=9924 (@ 4.7GHz) / 2D = 1310 / 3D =15536 (2X in SLI?) / Mem = 3118 / Disk = 4987

> this shows the potential with very high end GPU(s) and fast disk is very, very good.

The top rated Precision T7500 / 2X Xeon X5670 of 22 tested:

Rating = 3520 / CPU=14009 (@ 2.9GHz) / 2D = 541 (Firepro W5000) / 3D = 3897 / Mem = 1700 (48GB) / Disk = 2678 (Crucial MX100 512GB)

However, with a GTX, the T7500 can have a very high 3D score:

2X Xeon X5687 / GTX 970: 3D = 8634
Xeon X5675 / GTX 780ti = 8254
2X Xeon W5580 = 7849
2X Xeon X5650 / GTX Titan X= 7569
Xeon W5590 / GTX 780 ti = 7502

So you can see that even with the X5650 which is a 2.6GHz, that the 3D can be excellent.

So, a direct comparison is a bit difficult, and the T7500 uses DDR3- 1333 RAM and has an SATA II 3/GB/s disk system. However, 1333 RAM has a Latency of 9 -and you can add a 6GB/s disk controller to the T7500/ I have a dell Perc H310 in a T5500 - $60 used off ebahhh- and that changed the disk from 1940 to 2649.

Overall, for gaming use I'd say, the i5-4960K (perhaps adding a GTX 970 or above and a fast SSD) is the clear winner.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> Logitech z2300 > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > 2X Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 48GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3500 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)

as i was afraid

i already plan to put gtx 960
here is my whole setup, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qvxrZL
tell me what you think

thank you so much for the clarification on so many thing i didnt know/notice

bambiboom · Jan 19, 2016

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as i was afraid

i already plan to put gtx 960
here is my whole setup, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qvxrZL
tell me what you think

thank you so much for the clarification on so many thing i didnt know/notice [/quotemsg]

eso259,

Very good choices. There are 4 systems on Passmark that are i5-4690K / GTX 960 / ASUS H97

Rating = 3361 to 4673
CPU= 7713 (3.9GHz) to 8579 (4.2)
2D = 786 to 1029
3D = 2178 to 6617
Mem = 2302 (8GB) to 2704 (16GB)
Disk = 1599 (OCZ Agility 3) to 4994 (Samung 850 Evo) the 2nd place disk was 4371 also (Samung 850 Evo)

That 's a lot variation in the system scores and shows how configuration changes the performance. If you have it power saving mode and run all the Aero theme stuff the scores drop like a rock. I bought a used Dell Precision T3500 (12.12.15) and when I tested it originally, the CPU score (Xeon W3530 4-core @2.8 /3.0GHz) was 4482. When I turned on hyperthreading is became 5587.

In general, I'd say you'll have really good system. The stock Intel CPU coolers are said to be much better than you'd expect but to be sure in intense gaming, I would add a good CPU fan heatsink/ cooler like:

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan > $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

However, as you're using Micro-ATX, any cooler should be first checked that it will fit- you may need a low profile one.

On that subject, unless you have severe space limitations, or carry it around a lot, I recommend considering a larger case if possible. For $80-100 there are a lot of good mid towers and this is easier to assemble and work in, can accommodate the larger three-fan GPU's, and importantly, has better air flow with larger fans and better cooling with a big fan /heatsink- that doens't necessarily cost any more either. Sometimes, micro-atx motherboards mean the heatsink /cooler will interfere with the RAM a they're so close to the CPU socket- important components have to be chosen only because of the size.

Last but almost most importantly, if the budget can accommodate it, consider an SSD. Even it's a fairly low end 120GB- having the OS and applications on the SSD and the game libraries on a mech'l drive is a huge advantage. Have a slightly cheaper case, get a special rebate deal GPU, and 1TB HD if necessary. The Silicon Power S60 120GB is $45 and highly rated:

http://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-120GB-Internal-SP120GBSS3S60S25/dp/B009GG06F8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453219662&sr=8-1&keywords=silicon+power+ssd

Also: Corsair Force LS 2.5" 120GB > $45
Kingston SSDNow V300 > $45

Cheers,

BamibiBoom

eso259 · Jan 19, 2016

thanks for the information
i was thinking Cooler Master HAF 912
good air flow and lots of space and cable managment

Xeon_lover · Aug 3, 2016

bambiboom :

eso259 :

eso259,

I'm a big fan of the Precision Tx500 series and the Xeon LGA1366 is one of the great CPU series. I think a Precision Tx500 can be excellent for gaming- they were expensive visualization system with big power supplies and server-like reliability, but the T7500 is surplus to need. As far as I know, there is no game that needs a dual CPU system and in fact games are strongly single-threaded and sometimes even run better without hyperthreading- hence the popularity if the Intel i5.

Of course, if you're getting some amazing bargain on a T7500, it can be upgraded in the same general way. The X5670 is a terrific CPU:

http://ark.intel.com/products/47920/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5670-12M-Cache-2_93-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI?q=X5670

> And, oddly that particular model seems to have CPU benchmarks that can be as high as for higher clock speed designs. However, the 2X 6-cores are not necessary and the 2.93/ 3.33GHz speeds can be bettered. There is a slight penalty with CPU's designed for dual use.

It's difficult to compare the T7500 to the custom build directly but I'd say that for gaming, an i5-4690- that can be overclocked on an ASUS H97M should fly past the T7500 in gaming. On Passmark, there are 9X i5-4690 / Asus H97M systems, the top one being:

Rating = 5328/ CPU=9117 (@ 4.5GHz) / 2D = 1102 (Radeon R9 280X)/ 3D = 5568 / Mem = 2508 / Disk = 7688 (Intel RAID 0)

The second place GPU is a GTX 760 with a 3D of 5314.

But an i5-4690K / MSI Z97-GC65 / GTX 980ti / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / 16GB system:

Rating = 6079/ CPU=9924 (@ 4.7GHz) / 2D = 1310 / 3D =15536 (2X in SLI?) / Mem = 3118 / Disk = 4987

> this shows the potential with very high end GPU(s) and fast disk is very, very good.

The top rated Precision T7500 / 2X Xeon X5670 of 22 tested:

Rating = 3520 / CPU=14009 (@ 2.9GHz) / 2D = 541 (Firepro W5000) / 3D = 3897 / Mem = 1700 (48GB) / Disk = 2678 (Crucial MX100 512GB)

However, with a GTX, the T7500 can have a very high 3D score:

2X Xeon X5687 / GTX 970: 3D = 8634
Xeon X5675 / GTX 780ti = 8254
2X Xeon W5580 = 7849
2X Xeon X5650 / GTX Titan X= 7569
Xeon W5590 / GTX 780 ti = 7502

So you can see that even with the X5650 which is a 2.6GHz, that the 3D can be excellent.

So, a direct comparison is a bit difficult, and the T7500 uses DDR3- 1333 RAM and has an SATA II 3/GB/s disk system. However, 1333 RAM has a Latency of 9 -and you can add a 6GB/s disk controller to the T7500/ I have a dell Perc H310 in a T5500 - $60 used off ebahhh- and that changed the disk from 1940 to 2649.

Overall, for gaming use I'd say, the i5-4960K (perhaps adding a GTX 970 or above and a fast SSD) is the clear winner.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> Logitech z2300 > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > 2X Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 48GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3500 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)

i recently have developed a Dell T7500 for gaming purpose. My configuration is 2 Xeon x5650 processor 2.66 ghz, 16 gb of Ram 1TB of hard drive and inno gtx 750ti 2gb graphics card. This system is working perfect for me and very good for gaming. I have played call of duty modern warfare 4 on it with 1366x768 resolution with no lags. Also i have tried Sniper Ghost warrior 2 on ultra setting on this rig. I don't think there exist any game it can't run on medium to low setting. I will strongly recommend you should go for T7500 with above configuration if you need a future proof PC. however if you wanna spend money on intel i series scrap you are fee to go. i series can never beat dual xeon processors in durability and performance so go for it without any hesitation.

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