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Hi all. In the end I wish to be able to stream and record online media content and play it on my Samsung un55js8500 so that it always plays smoothly. I understand the h265, frame rate, hdmi, and other issues that to my understanding have not been resolved yet in a pc format (I could be wrong) for this TV. I would like to know what components I would need. Have been looking at x99 form for 40 pcie lanes and quad channel memory believing that this process would be doing some sort of video editing. Plus it appears to be the dreaded "future proof", thinking I can just continue to add pcie cards if I need a new function. I'm sure this is over kill (and stupid). Storage is not that important because I plan to add NAS at some point and stream all over the house. I would like 3.1 USB port for transfer to NAS (which will come, I'm sure). I have never built a computer before but have less fear than knowledge. Have a huge space behind televison for pc/box so that is not an issue. Budget not an issue unless it becomes one. Would appreciate any help/solutions I can get. Tired of researching. Thanks in advance.
 
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about the processor see here
http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby-lake-haswell-refresh-platform-detailed-launching-2h-2016-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

``When released, Kaby Lake will add native USB 3.1 and HDCP 2.2 support. It's uncertain whether these chips will fit into current Z170-based motherboards, but considering the fact that there's also a brand-new chipset en route for the same launch period, we're not too confident of it. However, the so-called Intel 200 series chipsets will be backwards-compatible with Skylake. Another notable feature is that it appears that PCIe 3.0 lanes will be increased to 24, from 20.

It also appears that Intel will be releasing Apollo Lake as early as the late spring, which will replace...
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Thank you for your response. It means that I have no interest in cutting edge gaming, overclocking, or water cooling. Its main function will be to decompress the the new h265 codec, meet the HDCP 2.2 standards, fluidly and smoothly show at 4Kp60 4:2:2 at 12b and 4:4:4 at 8b component resolutions that will become more common. I do not know if this is handled by the graphics card or the CPU or a combination of both. It will also hold programs that scrub commercials, some media organizational software and generally function as a house pc accessible to all other phones/pads/laptops etc. I would hope that it would be instantaneous in response time, if that takes me into ultra m2 or something of that nature. I felt the x99 platform offered future upgrade options. I had thought that a xeon might be the low power high processing I was looking for. I hope this makes my needs clearer and also demonstrates how totally lost I am. Thanks again.
 
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the gtx 960 support hardware decoding for h265 , so thats can help a lot to lower the cpu usage

``The three major requirements for full 4k compatibility are HDMI 2.0a, HDCP 2.2 and hardware HEVC decoding. Anything less will be a limited and incomplete implementation of the upcoming standards.``
 
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Can the three major requirements even be met by todays technology? I believe the graphics processing will come on line early this year but is that the only issue or are there other hardware components in a particular configuration that I would need. And is 60fps a minimum or does viewing on a television require require a higher rate than a monitor not using hdmi.
 
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4th Generation Intel Core processors (Haswell CPU 2- 3.5GHz, 4 Cores): Includes an HEVC Software Decoder
capable of real time decode of HEVC 4K streams.
5th Generation Intel Core processors (Broadwell): Supports HEVC 8-bit software/hybrid encode.

6th Generation Intel Core processors (Skylake) Supports hardware accelerated HEVC 8-bit decode and encode.

SEE HERE FOR MORE INFOS...REALY GOOD LINK
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9152/futureproofing-htpcs-for-the-4k-era-hdmi-hdcp-and-hevc
 
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My TV and AVR are 2.2/h265/HDR compatable. Unfortunately we come back to the conclusion of the article:
In summary, our experiments suggest that 4Kp60 HEVC decoding with hybrid acceleration might not be a great idea for Intel GPUs at least. However, movies should be fine given that they are almost always at 24 fps. That said, it would be best if consumers allow software / drivers to mature and wait for full hardware acceleration to become available in low-power HTPC platforms.

That article was written in april. Has anything changed?
 
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``AMD has demonstrated their upcoming 14nm FinFET Polaris GPU Architecture.

AMD’s Polaris architecture-based 14nm FinFET GPUs deliver a remarkable generational jump in power efficiency. Polaris-based GPUs are designed for fluid frame rates in graphics, gaming, VR and multimedia applications running on compelling small form-factor thin and light computer designs.

The Polaris architecture features AMD’s 4th generation Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture, a next-generation display engine with support for HDMI 2.0a and DisplayPort 1.3, and next-generation multimedia features including 4K h.265 encoding and decoding.``

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demonstrates-2016jan04.aspx#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3eQejGJ_A&feature=youtu.be

 
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badboyrog2:
It appears you have solved the graphics/new standard issue. Thank you so very much. Since it appears I will be waiting until mid 2016 for this build do you have any input on whether I should begin purchasing certain components now or wait and look at the landscape in mid 2016. I assume this graphics arhcitecture will still be pcie 3. You have been so helpful.
 
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about the processor see here
http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby-lake-haswell-refresh-platform-detailed-launching-2h-2016-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

``When released, Kaby Lake will add native USB 3.1 and HDCP 2.2 support. It's uncertain whether these chips will fit into current Z170-based motherboards, but considering the fact that there's also a brand-new chipset en route for the same launch period, we're not too confident of it. However, the so-called Intel 200 series chipsets will be backwards-compatible with Skylake. Another notable feature is that it appears that PCIe 3.0 lanes will be increased to 24, from 20.

It also appears that Intel will be releasing Apollo Lake as early as the late spring, which will replace Braswell, the lowest-powered chips Intel's lineup destined for smartphones. Apollo Lake will be able to scale up to 10W, whereas Braswell was locked at 6W.

Overall, there's some good stuff coming from Intel; it's only a pity that the tastiest stuff is still a ways away!

Read more at http://hothardware.com/news/leaked-intel-2016-cpu-roadmap-highlights-broadwell-e-apollo-lake-kaby-lake-s#63mRx9OCX0PaRD0k.99``

 
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Thanks so much for your excellent assistance. It appears I have a little longer wait. But I now know what I need and an idea when it's coming. Your posted sites contained all the answers to my questions. I cannot thank you enough.
 
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certain skylake motherboard offer full hdcp 2.2 hdmi 2.0 and h265 hardware encoding/decoding. otherwise with enough speed you dont necessarily need hardware decode/encode. my 2500k and 980ti have no problem playing back h265 in native 4k@60hz output at 4:2:0... just the cpu usage goes since its software. for h264 4k content i have no problems even up-converting 24hz to 60hz via frame interpolation(smooth video project), but for vp9 or h265 i have to use much lower settings in the svp settings, but it still looks very very good.
 
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nikoli707:
Thank you for your input. My belief is that since the standards have changed and are not fully implemented into consumer hardware at this moment, plus being a noobie, I think I need a fully mature plug and play solution that would not require a "work around" (assuming I know how to set up, insure, or even check for proper frame interpolation). I now can see that day is not too far off and would rather wait for a "singular" solution than attempt to adapt existing technology. I really am more videophile than computer person. Am I wrong in thinking this?

 
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