AMD FX 9590 issue

Malen_ · Jan 21, 2016

hello guys !
this is my 1st post on this forum
looking for someone who are willing to help me to solve my problem
ok here we go

i just bough an AMD FX 9590 chip, paired with Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P
on the idle, it got like 30-40C
but everythings got ****** up when i just used it to copying files & browsing
im using ID cooling SE 902 HSF (i know thats my fault, that wont fit on FX 9590 - 220 tdp)
well, the monthly bills will be my issue too due the 220 TDP :3 (this is my biggest fault, didnt even try to search the specifiaction deeper)

the option ive got so far :
1. buy my self a water cooling, BUT does water cooling help much ? or even make it to a good degree ? (like 40-50C when im using it on any games) since i saw SO MANY AMD FX 9590 issue with the high temperature
2. should i "downgrade" it to FX 8xxx series or even change my procie in to INTEL ? (im choosing FX 9590 because im curious what 4.7ghz wanna be like and yeah the 8 core & thread)

any advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated

bignastyid · Jan 21, 2016

That motherboard was not designed to support the 9590, which is why it's missing from the boards cpu compatibility list. Im surprised its running at all and the vrms haven't caught fire. Here's what can happen when that cpu is installed on a board that doesn't support it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM
If you want to stay with the FX you'll need a beefier board to support its massive power demand. Whats the main use(s) of the system?

Malen_ · Jan 22, 2016

bignastyid :

sorry, was accidentally clicking the solve button
can you help me undo it ?

hmm, im quitely noob at this point
so i dont know (and didnt search the specification) that my Gigabyte GA -970A didnt fit with FX 9590
but im wondering why does ASRock 970 Performance is listed as compatible with FX 9590 ?
afaik, the asrock got the lower price from mine, and its the same 970 ? (i assume better the price, better the performance, thats why i choose GA-970A)
im just asking, please dont assume that im offending your preception
well, im choosing FX 9590 just for long term processor gaming, so i dont need to upgrade to the latest processor (since it has 8 core and 8 thread, which is cool imo)

Benjiwenji · Jan 22, 2016

Unfortunately, the Fx-9xxx series isn't a good choice. Better off overclocking the 8320. The Fx series is also quite old being almost 4 years old now. I actually like the Fx-6300 and Fx-8320 for their value and overclock headroom.

There are a couple of things you can do to fix this.
First, monitor your CPU temps using AMDOverdrive's thermal margins and use HWmonitor for VRMs temperatures on the mobo. If your VRMs temperatures are fine, then you can add CPU cooler solutions to your Fx CPU. However, if the VRMs are overheating, then you will need to underclock your CPU. I would say that 4.5 ghz is a very manageable speed given that voltages are normal.

Please also post your PSU and GPU information.

Lastly don't worry about your bills, the CPU won't cost you more than a few bucks per year than its counterparts.

Malen_ · Jan 22, 2016

Benjiwenji :

helooo !
well yea, its quite old since the date release
but its still powerful imo, and i dont have (not really know if exist) any choices other than FX series
my old PC is AMD Phenom II X4, and i leave it at the stock clock (3ghz or so) since i dont know how to overclocking

ok here the complete part of my PC, i know some of its really broken
1. FX AMD 9590 (stock clock - 4.7ghz)
2. Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 (saw that asrock 970 performace is listed as compatible with 9590, why my mainboard doesnt ?)
3. 8 GB RAM (midas force DDR 4)
4. HIS R7 250X Icooler 1 Gb DDR5 (was choosing R7 250x cause im planned to crossfire it, but lately i got some information that crossfire still not compatible with most popular games)
5. ID cooling SE 902 HSF (i saw some ppl uses Noctua NH-D14 as his HSF, and it works fine, what do you think about it?)
6. 1TB HDD @7200
7. Dazumba 600w pure modular
thx and waiting for your next response

*editing GPU

bignastyid · Jan 22, 2016

Malen_ :

The Asrock 970 Performance is compatible as it has a much better power setup. Your board only has a 4+1 VRM phase and that's barely enough for a 125w cpu like an 8350 and 8320(not going to offer much of any overclocking room). The Asrock 970 performance uses an 8+2 VRM phase(same as many of the higher end 990FX boards). Price is irrelevant its the specs that matter.It does not have 8 cores it has 4 modules that can process 8 threads. AMD is currently being sued over this since each "core" in the module can not act independently as the 2 cores in the module have to share certain resources. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/amd-sued-over-allegedly-misleading-bulldozer-core-count/

lodders · Jan 22, 2016

There is a quick and easy short term solution.
Underclock and undervolt your CPU.
If you run it at 4GHz, and see how far you can drop the CPU core voltage, you will consume far less power and produce a lot less heat.
It should then work fine with your existing hardware.

Longer term solution - replace with Intel i5 CPU and motherboard.

Benjiwenji · Jan 22, 2016

If you just bought the 9590, then is it possible to exchange it at the store for a 8320?

The Gigabyte 970a-d3p having a 4+1 power phase is a disadvantage. The 970a-UD3P actually has 8. However, the main itself is still the VRMs temperature, so you should keep an eye on that. So long as it is with a safe range, then it should be fine. Therefore, adjust your clock and voltage based on your VRMs/CPU temps.

Malen_ · Jan 22, 2016

bignastyid :

wow ! so its not really an 8 core procie ?
its kinda tricky...imo
its more like 4 core + 4 fake core ?

Benjiwenji :

well, yeah i bough it few days ago and unfortunately it doesnt happen in my country (Indonesia)
they wont let me to downgrade / exchange it for another series for free

lodders :

well,i've thinking about that too
so what you guys suggest me to do ?
so far i have 3 options :
1. buy new mobo + new HSF (noctua NH-D14 or better) or replace HSF with water cooler
2. downgrade the procie (which is i have to sell it for lower price ofc) so i can still use the other hardware
3. sell all my hardware, and buy the intel i5 one

Benjiwenji · Jan 22, 2016

How much are you going to lose if you sell all of your hardware? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Just down clock and voltage your cpu. In the ball park of 4.4 is still very decent.

They are eight cores with eight threads, however, they have two integer cores within a module, where a pair of core share resources.

Malen_ · Jan 23, 2016

Benjiwenji :

yea, im considering it too, since i will lose much much money cause of it
how about if im downgrading to 8370 ? it has 4.0 ghz & 8 cores with 8 threads , right ?
so i can use all my hardware
is that a good choice ? help meeeee

*editing about downgrade

Benjiwenji · Jan 23, 2016

Just downclocking, and the voltage of, the 9590 to 4.0 would be the same as buying a 8370

Malen_ · Jan 24, 2016

Benjiwenji :

well i know you are feeling bored with all my questions

but these are my last questions before i execute it

1. if i really downclocking the 9590 to 4.0, will it lower the TDP ? just like 8370 (125 tdp, 150ish is ok). then do i need FXA 990 mobo even i downclocked the 9590 to 4.0 ?
2. does overclocked 8370 (to 4.7) will take the same TDP as 9590 (stock speed) ?
3. which one would you suggest, taking Noctua nh-d14 (or better) or Corsair H100i GTX

Benjiwenji · Jan 24, 2016

1. Lower voltage means lower power and lower temperature. Your D3P will be fine once you have lowered voltage.

2. Pretty much.

3. If you're planning on running at 4.0, then you don't need to spend that much on Cooler.

Ravi Singh 1 · Jan 25, 2016

Your motherboard is not compitable. Just reduce clock to 4.4 ghz and the cpu will be super stable on that board. Later on get a 990fx board asus pro 99x is a very good 990 fxa board. You can run ur 9590 at 5.0 ghz on that.

Benjiwenji · Jan 25, 2016

Ravi Singh 1 :

That's too much and rather unnecessary. I agree that the 990fx boards are better than the GA970a-d3p, however, it is too costly to replace the mobo and keep the 4.7 ghz. Buying a new 990fx is ~$140, new OS $100, a cooler that can effectively cool the 9590 at stock speed ~$110, and probably a good idea to replace the Dazumba 600w with a solid tier 1 or 2 PSU ($80). We are looking at upwards of ~$450 USD to maintain 0.7 ghz. The cost-benefit analysis will never justify that spending, even if it can be cut by half.

His D3P should be about to handle around 4.0 ghz with the lowered voltage, and the difference in performance isn't huge. Manage what you've got right now rather than pouring more cash in the pit.

Malen_ · Jan 25, 2016

Ravi Singh 1 :

thanks for the response !
so what's the best clock i can have with my board ?

Benjiwenji :

i think i should downclocked my fx 9590, then prepare the other hardware that i needed (PSU upgrade - mobo upgrade - cooler upgrade and even my casing)
well, any advices that you want to tell me ?

oh yea, what do you guys think about the FX 9590 ? the cons & pros..

thanks in advance !

Andrei-Florin Gogan · Jan 25, 2016

Malen_ :

Ravi Singh 1 :

thanks for the response !
so what's the best clock i can have with my board ?

Benjiwenji :

i think i should downclocked my fx 9590, then prepare the other hardware that i needed (PSU upgrade - mobo upgrade - cooler upgrade and even my casing)
well, any advices that you want to tell me ?

oh yea, what do you guys think about the FX 9590 ? the cons & pros..

thanks in advance !

Get your CPU down to 4.3-4.4 Ghz and you should be fine.
Pros&Cons for your CPU? Should have asked before you bought it

Malen_ · Jan 26, 2016

Andrei-Florin Gogan :

Malen_ :

Get your CPU down to 4.3-4.4 Ghz and you should be fine.
Pros&Cons for your CPU? Should have asked before you bought it

i just want to know whats your point of view

for me, as an AMD user in general, i never found something's bad from its product though

thats why i want to give a shot to this chip
since there's many ppl said that FX 9590 is kinda bad or not worth it or whatever they said
but many ppl that experienced in overclocking said FX 9590 is worth it :/

Andrei-Florin Gogan · Jan 26, 2016

There is no doubt, it is a decent CPU but for this you have to have a very good motherboard and very good cooler.Gaming wise, still way behind Intel at the same price range.

XpJAY · Jan 26, 2016

My FX9590/CHVF-Z is running at 48 deg C at full load with Corsair H80iGtx in a Storm Enforcer with maximum ventilation I haven't overclocked it. I am extremely pleased and satisfied with my purchase. I was worried also, due to scary stories out there but I am very pleased and have put the 8370 up for sale. I could run ANY game at ultra with my 8370, so 9590 more than enough for gaming.

Benjiwenji · Jan 26, 2016

XpJAY :

No offense, but I don't believe you. Almost nothing can cool the stock 9590 under full load at 48c, certainly not the H80i GT.

Here is a H80i GT benchmark with i7 4790k OC 4.6 ghz w/ 1.3v under full load. That i7 at 1.3v runs much cooler than 9590 at stock, and it is still at 73c. Therefore, the H80i, and most other single fan AIO cooler, won't be able to sufficiently cool the 9590 at stock.

And this,

Reference:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/H80iGT/6.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h80i_gt_review,11.html

XpJAY · Jan 29, 2016

What? Lol!! Many Intel chips known to run ridiculously hot when overclocked pass a certain point no matter how you cool them, unlike FX series. It's made by a different manufacturer. Why would you even show these graphs? And if you actually looked at your graphs you would have noticed in 1 test, the dual fan H80iGT 120 mm cooler outperformed the 280 mm H110, and in both tests beats 240mm Nepton 240M. "Lower is better"
Also, AMD specifically listed the dual fan H80i (non GT) as suitable for the FX9590.
Yes they both have 2 fans. Check your facts.

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