PC experts needed only please?

Daniel Solorio · Jan 31, 2016

So i'm building a friends entry level gaming pc. He doesn't play Hardcore titles just steam stuff. Examples anything like lego jurrasic world or minecraft or Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4. Keep in mind it has to be able to handle itself with minecraft mods and well if you don't know is hard. ( naruto info game requirements)
{System Requirements
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows (64bit) 7 or higher up to date
Processor: Intel i3-530, 2.93Ghz / AMD Phenom II X4 940, 3.0GHz
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: 2048 MB video card, Pixel Shader 4.0, DirectX10 GPU
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 40 GB available space}

here is two build i have so far.

BUDGET IS $400 NOTHING MORE

1.)

CPU --

AMD A8-7650K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor
$96.99 Buy
CPU Cooler---

Zalman CNPS10X OPTIMA CPU Cooler
$19.99 Buy
Motherboard ---

Asus A68HM-K Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
$37.88 Buy
Memory ---

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
$46.89 Buy
Storage --

Seagate Barracuda 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
$24.99 Buy
Case --

Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case
$22.98 Buy
Power Supply --

EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply
$19.99 Buy
Custom --
Enzotech MOS-C1 MOSFET Heatsinks - Price includes shipping! $17.94
Total: $287.65

2.)

CPU

AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
$96.08 Buy
Motherboard

MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
$89.98 Buy
Memory

G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
$29.99 Buy
Storage

Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
$30.80 Buy
Video Card

Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card
Case

Sentey CS1-1410 PLUS ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply

Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
$41.98 Buy
Total: $288.83

turkey3_scratch · Jan 31, 2016

Both power supplies are not very good, especially the EVGA is poor. There are other options like the Antec VP as a good budget option you can use.

Gam3r01 · Jan 31, 2016

The second build would give you better performance in game.
I also agree with the above on the PSU changes.

Question I have, why do you have MOSFET heatsinks in the first build?

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JDGHwP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JDGHwP/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-E Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 950 2GB Dual WindForce Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $401.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-31 21:09 EST-0500

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Djt4yc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Djt4yc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus B150M-K Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 950 2GB Dual WindForce Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-31 21:13 EST-0500

i would save up the 20.00 more for the newer skylake build.

turkey3_scratch · Jan 31, 2016

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($49.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 950 2GB Dual WindForce Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($55.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $438.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-31 21:17 EST-0500

And smorizio, pcpartpicker says your build is $25 more than $418.

okcnaline · Jan 31, 2016

Neither. Just buy used.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMBO-DP45SG-MOTHERBOARD-LGA-775-Q9550-QUAD-PROCESSOR-4GB-MICRON-DDR3-I-O-/262269839576?hash=item3d108028d8:g:~noAAOSwyQtV2mrz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-HD-7950-OC-R7950-Twin-Frozr-3GD5-OC-BE-3GB-Refurbished-Great-Cond-/151969337568?hash=item23621410e0:g:538AAOSw5dNWqBVP
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Intel DP45SG ATX LGA775 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($19.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($42.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $172.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-31 21:17 EST-0500

Grand total is $372.85. Absolutely capable of running at much better settings at 1080P.

turkey3_scratch · Jan 31, 2016

I'd rather buy new parts with new VRMs, fresh warranties, and no risks of being Ebay scammed.

Daniel Solorio · Jan 31, 2016

Gam3r01 :

i friend told me

okcnaline · Jan 31, 2016

But without a doubt, you're getting a much better gaming experience. That's something pretty much all builds at this price would lack if it's new, turkey3_scratch.

Daniel Solorio · Jan 31, 2016

okcnaline :

could you help me with another build please?

okcnaline · Jan 31, 2016

Help make another build, right?

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

okcnaline how can you recomed a cpu that 6 gen old now. the 775 chips been replaced by sandy/ivery/haswell/brodweel/skylake cpu?? also to run windows above 10 now you need the newest cpu as microsoft has posted and toms hardware has reported that going forward microsoft wont support older cpu in there newer os.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/16/windows-10-processor-support/
so your posting old hardware that in a year might not run the next version of windows. also there no upgrade path for that system. he have to spend more money if the cpu or mb kicks the bucket then if he went all new. at lest with the newer skylake mb when he has the funds he can drop in a faster cpu. on amd side this year is the newer zen cpu. depending when amd drops the zen and how it tests out it may be a better entry gaming cpu then g chips from intel.

Daniel Solorio · Jan 31, 2016

okcnaline :

yea but it's more of an upgrade. I need to know what i can do to get a really really good STABLE frame rates.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2593473/upgrading-computer-gaming-supporting.html

i asked earlier and well it's been some time and i wanted your opinion. I don't have much but my frames have been crap lately and this never happened before..I used to have a good gaming pc now it's wack because everyone has better ones and my pc got old lol...So if you could help it would mean alot.

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1758464

okcnaline · Jan 31, 2016

smorizio :

I recommended the Q9550 because is cheap and still keeps up with games.
And by the way, your post absolutely proves my point. Your i3 with an H81 costs $338, having no budget left for a GPU. That's why I recommended the old CPUs. You're getting better value for much less. And I managed to fit in a Radeon HD 7970, which beats out all the GTX 950s everyone is recommending.

As for the OP, maximize your budget. You simply won't get good gaming performance with AMD Piledriver CPUs. Either that, or look for older parts online.

turkey3_scratch · Jan 31, 2016

They're used, you're missing the point. And both Cmorizio and I posted $425ish builds with a solid GPU and all new parts.

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

when your building a pc for gaming you have to look at the cpu/gpu combo your using. you have to look at real world tests where they take the amd cpu vs intel and show you the min/max frame rate of entry level builds in real life. amd cpu you have in your pre built hp not bad if you give it 8g of ram and a good entry level gaming gpu. the intel g cpu are faster then amd cpu and the i3 for a littel more money are the best gaming cpu for entry level pc. the newer games that are dropping now look for 4 core cpu. at some point intel may have to go to 4 core line up on all of there cpu. also when looking at parts make sure if you buy older parts you know that there no upgrade path whe nusing them like haswell h81 mb. as these parts when they go cheap are end of life parts. they have full warranty on them but you wont be able to drop in the newer cpu into the rig.

smorizio · Jan 31, 2016

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/newegg-system-builder-marathon-q4-2015,4401.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-budget-gaming-pc,4065.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/newegg-system-builder-marathon-q3-2015-value-comparison,4293.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-budget-gaming-pc,4021.html

okcnaline · Jan 31, 2016

I know and am aware they're used. But it still outperforms all the builds you guys listed.

Lemme try again, though, and see how new I can conjure up with the HD 7950.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-i5-2400-CPU-Intel-DH67BL-Motherboard-4GB-Ram-includes-Heatsink-Fan-IO-/262258902453?hash=item3d0fd945b5:g:buMAAOSw~bFWPSiV
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Windforce-GTX-670-GV-N670OC-2GD-REV1-0-Boxed-2-/281919325964?hash=item41a3b3870c:g:wHcAAOSwaA5WkXa1
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($42.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $152.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-31 22:03 EST-0500

$402.86. But that'll take off the advantage of the HD 7970. Oh well...

turkey3_scratch · Jan 31, 2016

I can build a better-performing $1000 used computer than a $1000 new computer, so why wouldn't I do that, too? Anyway, leave it up to the OP.

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