Can't Pass IBT Max even on stock settings

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I have been losing my mind trying to learn about overclocking and overclock my rig the last few weeks and it has been slowly driving me insane. The latest frustration is that I have discovered that even on 100% stock settings, with everything I possibly can close in windows closed, I still cannot manage to get past 2 runs of IBT on Max and I keep seeing all these overclockers online saying that if a build doesnt pass 10+ runs on max then its not stable. How am I supposed to get a stable overclock if my optimized default settings can't even get past 2 runs? I am really becoming seriously discouraged. My temperatures are completely within normal ranges. Never went past 64c.

Here's my rig
* Case: Azza Hurrican 2000 Full Tower Gaming Case w/ 4x230mm fans and 4x120mm fans
* CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155
* Cooling System: Asetek 570LX Liquid Cooling system w/ 240MM Radiator and Dual
Fans mounted under the top 2 120mm fans
* Motherboard: GigaByte GA-Z68XP-UD4 Intel Z68 Chipset
* Video Card: 2x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 HD 2.5GB 16X PCIe Video Cards in SLI
* Memory: Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB DDR3 SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit
* Hard Drive 1: Crucial M4 128gb SSD
* Hard Drive 2: Hitachi 2TB SATA III 7200RPM 64MB cache
* Hard Drive 3: Seagate Baracuda 3TB SATA III 7200RPM 64MB cache
* Hard Drive 4: Western Digital Cavier Green 3TB SATA III, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache
* Power Supply: Thermaltake TRX 1200W Modular Power Supply
* Optical Drive: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive
* Extra Thermal Display: Aerocool Touch 1000 5.25\" Touch Screen Fan
Control
* Flash Media Reader/Writer: Internal 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer
* Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
 
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I suggest using the information I've provided you and see how far you can get before even considering a new cooler, as the cooler you have should at least support a 4.5ghz overclock if you use the correct BIOS settings.

Please list your exact memory model #s they are on a sticker on the side of the modules, list model#, speed, voltage, and the timings listed?

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Is this your PSU? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153119
If so, it is not very good and may be somewhat affecting your results. It is a 5th tier (not recommended) PSU. https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true

But don't be running IBT at the max settings. It isn't the same as running Prime95. IBT is extremely hard on the CPU. I run it at the default settings (10 pass) and have never had a problem with my OCs. On any of my PCs.
But... if your system can't pass IBT at stock clocks at the default settings, you may have other issues. The PSU may be the culprit.
 
It`s a very fine balancing trick while trying to overclock.

What you have to keep your eye on as much as the cpu speed via a multiplier value if the cpu is multiplier unlocked.
Is what your memory and the bus speed it is also running at.

If you are manually overclocking via the bios with no bios auto overclocking features on.
And how you are doing the overclock if not just by upping the cpu multiplier matter.

For example if you upped the the FSB it effects the memory in the system while adding Mhz in speed to the working CPU.

But if you push the memory or FSB speed to high the memory will become unstable.
So you lower the set working speed say from 1600Mhz to 1333Mhz to gain stability again.

Add to the fact that when you overclock the cpu and memory manual voltage adjustments may have to be applied to both the cpu and memory modules of the system depending on how far they are over there stock settings.

The faster you make memory run also, the timing values of the memory in latency have to be increased to higher values to accommodate higher memory frequency.

If the timing is too far out it will cause an error or when you run a pass it will fail.

When overclocking concentrate on one thing only at a time.
First the Cpu. overclocking, voltage tweaks.

Then the memory. overclocking, voltage tweaks, and change in timing values if needed.

Remember the harder you push each part it may require more voltage to stabilize any overclocking.
When the cpu, or memory is put under load testing.

You should do this in very small voltage steps of 0.250Mv if your bios allows it.
And test to see if it stabilizes the system under a load test each time.
 

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That version of processor has a bug that only shows up if you run very complex algorithms. It is on that specific processor that you have. That's more than likely why you can't make it past 2 runs on IBT. You will need to run aida or prime to fully test it on stability. That would be over clocked or not. With that bug i can't say that they will even be able to work. Very nice set up you have there though.
 

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Yeah that's the PSU I have. Do you have any recommendations on testing programs I could run or something that could test its viability/stability?

Also by default settings, do you mean stress level Standard?

The biggest thing that I do that makes me worried about what kind of a load my rig can take is that I work in both Autodesk Maya and Mudbox doing 3d Modeling/Texturing/Rendering which is, as I understand it, very processor intensive. So that thought was what got me all convinced that If I couldn't at least get through 10 runs on very high or max then the build was no good. Well that and all the big shots talking about doing 30 runs on Max and whatnot to ensure stability.

I had a lot of different configurations when I was trying to OC in the UEFI version of my Bios that could make it through standard and High just fine but would either fail or overheat on very high which meant I never even tried to run them on max. I got fed up though with beating my head against this overclocking wall and decided to rollback my bios to a non UEFI version, the F6 BIOS, in order to get back some options the the UEFI version removed like LLC and see if that hepled at all. Of course that brought about a new problem instead of solving problems as now the option for manually changing the multiplier on core 4 in the turbo options doesnt work. When I try to change the option the screen just blips and it resets the multiplier on all the other cores back to auto. I even tried downgrading to older versions of the bios and it still doesn't work right. Yet another problem that has me wanting to tear my hair out.

Anyways, since I seem to be getting much more responses than usual I am just gonna keep posting my different questions I have on this thread instead of starting new ones. So here is another question. I haven't found hardly anything in the way of reviews for my liquid cooler and based off of my temperatures in comparison to others I am suspecting that it is not as good as I had hoped, but I am wondering if anyone else has any info on this model, and if it is indeed a crap cooler, what kind of cooler would you recommend that isn't going to break my bank and would work in this rig? I have a little bit of money to spend so if a new cooler and PSU would make a big difference, now might be the time.

 

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Yes, standard level. If it passes standard level, it is stable for everyday use and gaming. I have yet to have a crash or BSOD or any other problem passing the default setting in IBT.
Of course there's always Prime 95 running small FFTs for at least an hour (to be sure everything is warm).

Sometimes folks get a little carried away with over-taxing their CPUs. Normal use will never generate the abuse that IBT at even default settings will provide. IBT is brutal.
 

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This particular processor is actually specifically designed for you to not mess with the FSB/BCLK because in this processor all the other system clocks are tied into the BCLK, even your sata drive clocks, so messing with that on a I7 2600k can fry your hard drives. So your only options are to either do a static OC utilizing only the multiplier and other non BCLK options, or do it by changing the Turbo boost multipliers, or a combination of the two, depending on whether you want consistent speed or to save power and increase processor longevity, etc.

I have been experimenting with both options and if IBT is to be believed and Very High is supposed to be passable in order to be considered stable then I have had very little luck in achieving my goal of 4.5 ghz. I have messed with pretty much every setting available including dram voltage and core voltage, although not any of the other votages as I am not really sure what many of them do.

I have had no luck whatsoever attempting to overclock my memory which is why I gave up and have just been focusing on my processor and then of course my GPUs assuming I can ever get a truly stable CPU OC. With my memory, the manufacturer has it listed as having been tested all the way up to 2133 11-11-11-27 but I havent even been able to get it to do 1866 regardless of how high I put the timings. It works fine at 1333 9-9-9-24 or 1666 9-9-9-24, but anything else and it wont even boot.

I assume you mean small steps of .0250 mhz for voltage increases right? My processor is only test rated up to 1.52 and it runs at 1.24 on stock clock so a .250 increase would take it from standard to max in a single step.

I have been following standard procedure for the most part though as far as only changing one thing at a time. What really drives me nuts though is when I go back to a set of settings that passed in IBT on high or so before I started tweaking, and it doesn't work anymore, even though I saved that set of settings specifically because it did run through IBT before.
 

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Im sure the details would probably go over my head, but what specifically is the bug? Also I know Prime95 which I haven't been running because it takes sooooooo long to test, but I don't know Aida. What can you tell me about stress testing with that program?
 

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Huh. So......something a bit baffling happened when I went back to attempting a stable 4.5 ghz OC. I was making it through 10 runs on standard and high at a vcore of 1.38 and so I started lowering the vcore, retest, lower again, retest and I noticed something odd the last time I dropped it down. The number in the "Normal" column for vcore recommended 1.355v, but since I was running great at 1.36 I decided to try 1.34 and brought my LLC down again from 7 to 6, and It actually made it MORE stable. It ran through all 10 passes of VERY HIGH which was even higher then I was able to run before with more voltage. On higher voltages it was failing on pass 2 or 3 every time on very high, but somehow, bringing the voltage BELOW the recommended voltage actually made it better. This is so counterintuitive to me lol. OCing is hard to understand. Idk, maybe the lower LLC helped out as well. This table I found has been exceptionally useful . http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=7760.0. Anyways, I just thought I would report back my temporary success as I am sure that by even typing these words I have no doomed myself to new unexplainably chaotic results and I wont even be able to pass standard anymore now for unknown reasons lol. Murpheys Law at work.
 
Your cooling isn't the greatest it really is barely capable of competing with a Noctua NH-D14, and the D14 running 120mm 110cfm cooling fans will out perform it, the key to overclocking is keeping the CPU cool enough to support the overclock.

Just run IBT on standard as it is only your first step to discovering your stability.

The guide below was written covering an ASRock motherboard but can still be used with your GigaByte board.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2012433/sandy-bridge-series-multiplier-overclocking.html

Discovering your overclock stability.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2345618/reaching-cpu-overclocking-stability.html

With the Sandy Bridge CPU your memory speed alone can be holding you back you did not list what memory speed you are running and is that 16G 2 x 8G or 4 x 4G?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/i...r-effect-raised-multiplier-cpu-overclock.html
 

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4 4gb sticks for the ram. I need to add that to my rig breakdown. Hey, a new guide I haven't seen. At this point, having read about 20-30 of em I was starting to see repeats more often than new ones. I will definitely check these out tomorrow in detail to see If I come across any new info. Much appreciate my fiend :)

As far as the cooling goes I agree with you completely. Honestly it doesn't seem like my current system is making anywhere near as much of a difference as it should be. Then again it came already installed when I bought the initial rig so I have no basis for comparisson and honestly the SEVERE lack of any real info about this unit on the net tells me that it is some serious low end merchandise. I couldnt find a single review written by anyone and even the info on the manufacturers website is sparse. Serves me right for buying the initial rig from CYBERPOWER PC. However since then I have learned a hell of a lot more about putting together your own rig and just how simple it really is for the most part so I will never again be buying a desktop pc put together by someone else, with parts of a questionable nature.

Anyways I do have funds at the moment to purchase a new liquid cooler for this rig and considering my attempts at going higher than 4.5 ghz have gone back to resulting in unsafe temperatures do to increased voltage, it seems like the next logical step. I am pretty amazed, and also suspicious that I seem to have found a stable 4.5 ghz build today though. Considering the overall severe lack of real lasting success I have had the last few weeks I am highly suspicious/doubtful of anything that appears to be success lol. Anyways, I am most definitely open to suggestions as to new liquid coolers I could get that will fit with this case/socket set.

Thanks again for the info. Ill report back tomorrow ;)
 

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The bug is well known and can be effecting you on your ibt tests. Here's a link to an article http://www.tomshardware.com/news/skylake-prime-number-bug,30979.html. If you are holding 64c under full load then your find on your temps. Maya and Mudbox is able to use the video cards to do the calculations, and is much faster to use that way instead of only using the processor to do the calculations. Make sure you configure those programs to use the video cards you have. You will knock the times that it takes to render, down considerably. Not to mention that it will remove a bit of the load from your processor.
The reason your getting better stability when lowering your voltages comes down to leakage internal to the processor. All processors are not created equal. Some will tolerate higher voltages than others. When the electrons leak from one part to the other it will create a hot spot internally. This will cause instability. It may or may not show up on the temps depending on the area that is leaking and the amount of time it takes to error.

As clutchc said i would consider changing the psu to a higher quality one.
 


He is running a Sandy Bridge CPU not Skylake, so your post is really totally irrelevant, putting it nicely.

His 2600K should be able to run a 4.5ghz OC with it's hands tied behind it's back, so to speak.

That of course is if he uses the right overclock settings to get there, and has adequate CPU cooling.

 


I suggest using the information I've provided you and see how far you can get before even considering a new cooler, as the cooler you have should at least support a 4.5ghz overclock if you use the correct BIOS settings.

Please list your exact memory model #s they are on a sticker on the side of the modules, list model#, speed, voltage, and the timings listed?

 
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You better do your home work before you make comments. The i7-6700k only comes in the Skylake flavor. Not sandy bridge. He also posted the wrong socket for it also it is 1151 not 1155. 1155 is for ivy bridge the I7-3770k. Sandy bridge uses 1150, like the i7-4790k that I am using. Wit that said, He does have the bug in the processor, and yes that can be what is causing it to error before it makes numerous passes in IBT. Google it news about it is every where you look. Sorry but it is what it is.
 

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I think you may have misread my rig description. I am using an I7 2600k. It is most definitely sandy bridge, and an 1155 socket.
 

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gahh I am such an idiot. I just accidentally hit solved on this post. Dont get me wrong, you have been incredibly helpful, I just wasn't done getting help lol. Oh well, apparently there is no way to undo it. Here is the exact memory I have. http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-16gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz16gx3m4a1600c9b.

Also, another funny example of my apparent idiocy. I was looking in my case earlier at the fans mounted on my radiator and I realized that one of them was set up as an out fan and one of them was an in fan. Which of course is highly counterproductive as the two top case fans and one of the radiator fans are trying to pull air out of the radiator and the case through the top vents, while one of the radiator fans is sucking the air into the case. I can only assume that last year when I completely took my entire rig apart in order to actually learn in some practical detail how the parts were laid out, what cords did what, etc, and also to mount in a few new hard drives, that when I was putting it back together I must have put one of the fans back on wrong and never noticed. I remember being up still at like 430 am trying to finish putting it back together because I was crazy determined but also mad sleep deprived lol. At least I noticed it and I fixed it now. That should help out a little.
 


That was a good catch on your part, and don't worry, I appreciate the best solution choice but had no intentions of leaving you, I don't stay at Toms for badges I really could care less about that, the true goal is to help you resolve your issues.

So did the fan fix help your temperatures?

 


I have done my homework! :)

 


Here is a couple of tips for you:

Some Sandy Bridge CPUs could handle higher speed memory and some could not, that issue does depend on the luck of the draw. If yours is one that has a problem with higher speeds then simply leave all the settings as they are, (Timings and Voltage), but manually drop the memory speed itself from 1600mhz to 1333mhz.

For overclocking purposes regarding the Sandy Bridge CPU, some motherboards did not do well with all 4 memory slots filled, some M/Bs even had warnings in the motherboard manual regarding that, so if yours has a problem with all slots occupied just remove the 2 modules in the secondary slots and drop to 8G 2 x 4G, as actually 8G is really all you need gaming wise with Win7 64bit.

If you monitor your memory usage you are not coming close to 8G even in the heaviest of gaming so you do not need the extra 8G as it may be holding back your overclock.

Remember just because your motherboard can support memory speeds up to 2133mhz does not mean your CPU will, that is something you will have to discover for yourself, to see just how far you can go and still remain 100% stable.

The below was taken from your motherboard manual, do you actually have a hard copy of your motherboard manual, as the quote below is missing the pictures in the manual.

1-4-1 Dual Channel Memory Configuration
This motherboard provides four DDR3 memory sockets and supports Dual Channel Technology. After the memory is installed, the BIOS will automatically detect the specifications and capacity of the memory. Enabling Dual Channel memory mode will double the original memory bandwidth.
The four DDR3 memory sockets are divided into two channels and each channel has two memory sockets as following:Channel A: DDR3_2, DDR3_4Channel B: DDR3_1, DDR3_3Dual Channel Memory Configurations Table
(SS=Single-Sided, DS=Double-Sided, "- -"=No Memory)
DDR3_4
DDR3_2
DDR3_3
DDR3_1
Two Modules
- -
DS/SS
- -
DS/SS
DS/SS
- -
DS/SS
- -
Four Modules
DS/SS
DS/SS
DS/SS
DS/SS
Due to CPU limitations, read the following guidelines before installing the memory in Dual Channel mode.
1. Dual Channel mode cannot be enabled if only one DDR3 memory module is installed.
2. When enabling Dual Channel mode with two or four memory modules, it is recommended that memory of the same capacity, brand, speed, and chips be used. For optimum performance, when enabling Dual Channel mode with two memory modules, we recommend that you install them in the DDR3_1 and DDR3_2 sockets.

 

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Sorry about that i wasn't thinking that far back since the 1155 was phased out years ago. What your saying about the memory is probably what he is probably running into.
 

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Yeah I got this rig back in January of 2012. The I7 2600k was the cream of the crop and king of the hill at the time. Of course 2 months later they came out with an 8 core processor and i was kicking myself lol. Still though, honestly I have had little to no issues with it over the years and I think this OC will help carry me a few more before I need to replace this rig as my primary. Actually I will probably put together a new rig sometime late next year and move this rig to be my secondary but we'll see.