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Looking to get a GTX 980 Ti Hybrid, but then I looked back at the original 980ti. I know this may sound like a ("duh") question, but whats the main difference between the Hybrid and original? Apart from the obvious quietness and low temp of the Hybrid. And taking in that I am going to overclock the Hybrid, which would be better overall?
 
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Going to give as much factual info as possible, and attempt to answer every question as best I can.

1. Yes I do mean pascal. Though AMD also has cards coming out this year meant to compete with pascal.

2. It may very well be that the TI version is more expensive. But that won't matter I will address that later, please keep reading.

3. Optimistic release date for pascal is april google it and set search filter to last month. But here is one source.
http://techfrag.com/2016/01/25/nvidia-2014-2017-gpu-roadmap-pascal-titan-gp100-to-debut-in-april-gtx-1080-in-june-and-volta-in-2017/

Pessimistic release date -- August 2016 at the latest. It will either be Quarter 2 or Quarter 4 start as that historically is when ALL new gaming tech get...
its all about the price what price are you looking at between the two. I have an air cooled evga and i am getting 1460 on the core at all time. So the only real difference is yours will have better temps which is a better situation if your looking to extreme oc the card.
 

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Well right now the GTX 980 ti hybrid is around £600 so the price difference is around £50-70, overclocking wise i have seen the hybrid get OC'd to 14-- Hz (just under 1500). So obviously the temperature will help with overclocking.

On the side note, I am looking to custom paint the GPU and I have to admit the Original GPU looks very cool when custom painted, but I have some ideas in mind for the hybrid if thats so.

 

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Hybrid... Linus tech tips, and Jayztech tips both have videos on it. EVGA 980ti hybrid is the quietest option. Also unlike fan cards heat won't factor into your OC, you are limited by your Chip luck role and the built in 10% voltage increase before heat can ever become an issue.


But I highly recommend waiting if at all possible until the new NVIDIA launches. This is not like the last 10 series of GPU's starting with the 9800GTX in 2008... The 900 series is 200+ days past the 300 day average shelf life of the preceding generations.

515 days as of today, vs the standard 300 day shelf life for previous 10 generations. Nvidia literally skipped an entire upgrade cycle worth of time if it launches in april. 2 gen leap in tech equivalent. Like going from a 7 series to a 9 series in one leap.

I am also in need of a new GPU. But after researching it I am holding out. The 900 series is the longest generation of cards nvidia has ever had already, and it is never a good idea to upgrade at the tail of of a series of cards life cycle. But it is doubly true when that cards life cycle will be twice the average, and the longest ever.

Hold strong man. Hold strong if at all possible. I got $700 burning a hole in my pocket begging me to spend it on a new card. But there literally couldn't be a worse time to upgrade in the last 10 series of cards then at the tail end of this series.
 

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So by the new generation, Im taking it you mean the "Pascal" I haven't stopped hearing about, but my only issue is that the card will be two expensive, with a £650 ($943) budget on a GPU I fear that I won't have enough. Even if it is enough (which it MIGHT be), whats the supposed release date on the card, and how powerful is it going to be, is the non ti version going to be able to out do the 980 ti? But in a hypothetical situation its release date is around this summer time (when I'm planning to get my new build), then it comes down to cost.
 

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Going to give as much factual info as possible, and attempt to answer every question as best I can.

1. Yes I do mean pascal. Though AMD also has cards coming out this year meant to compete with pascal.

2. It may very well be that the TI version is more expensive. But that won't matter I will address that later, please keep reading.

3. Optimistic release date for pascal is april google it and set search filter to last month. But here is one source.
http://techfrag.com/2016/01/25/nvidia-2014-2017-gpu-roadmap-pascal-titan-gp100-to-debut-in-april-gtx-1080-in-june-and-volta-in-2017/

Pessimistic release date -- August 2016 at the latest. It will either be Quarter 2 or Quarter 4 start as that historically is when ALL new gaming tech get released. So even if you only wait 2 more months you will be at an advantage with lots more new tech to choose from, even if pascal is delayed.

4. How powerful... While I can not say. I can say what happened last time 780ti - 980GTX (not ti just GTX 980) -- Total time between cards -- 315 days. The 780ti launched in nov 2013, the 980gtx in sept 2014. --- The 980GTX alone beats the 780ti in benchmarks. Check google and watch a video video's and you will see for yourself. This is important because the launch price of GTX cards is less then GTX TI cards. Meaning you can get a better card for less money. If your too lazy to look it up on google here is a video of performance comparison, but there are TONS of them out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxpljkrsm8 --- Oh and that video... It is 970GTX to 780ti -- 970 wins. 980 wins by a lot more.

Further it has been 257 days since the 980ti launched, almost exactly halfway through 516 days as of today that the 9xx series launched. By the time pascal launches if it is in april it will have been 317 days. Do you see the trend? Unless moore's law has slowed down, or the last several series of cards power increase curve as it relates directly to days since last release is changing you can expect a xx80gtx in the next series will be as good or better than a 980TI today. It will also be cheaper if the historical trend remains for GTX vs dual GPU cards going all the way back to the X2 in the 2xx series.


---- Bottom line. Your money will be better spent on a XX80 GTX in the next series and possibly even a xx70 GTX, then a 980TI today. Less money for more performance if historical trends hold.

I am very sorry for another long post. I shortened it as much as I could.

Note: calculated release dates using wiki and a calendar calculator. You can go through all of the last 10 release if you want, but the trend will hold for performance increase per day between releases. It is a pretty linear path.
 
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First of all I can never complain about along post, its better getting all information across compared to none.

Thanks for giving me a estimated release date, I'm not planning to get a new pc build until the summer(ish) time, so April will be a good estimate because if it comes out at a later date (and not April) it gives me time to wait.

If you are right "Less money for more performance" does that mean we could see the GPU being around £600 -£700 since the normal 980 is around £400 and the ti variant is £500. If so then that's great.

-Thanks so much for the information provided, probably the most I have received from one person
 

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Glad I could help. Don't forget to mark thread solved.

As for the latest question. I am unsure what you are asking. If your asking ff the TI version in pascal will be about the same cost as the ti version now. Yes give or take 10% cost. But keep in mind TI version if it follows the trend will launch after the 70 80 and titan variants. IMO not worth waiting for as you can always SLI two 70 or 80's for a little worse performance to cost ratios. But you won't have to wait several more months for it to release. SLI is the better option IMO at the start of a series, and mid way through TI is the better option.

 

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Ok, so to sum it up,

1- Wait for pascal to release
2- SLI (if possible with my funding) either __70 or __80 (if you could tell me which ones would be better I'd appreciate it)
3- Mid way through the Pascal season, purchase a ti

 

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I wish I could tell you what would be better. But aside from saying __80 will be more powerful I can't say. What I know is based on statistics and trends. 1 single __70 will be as good or better then 980ti today, unless the statistics deviated after a 10 year trend. A good deduction however is It will likely come down to what monitor you use. 4k monitors need massively more powerful cards.


But I will say this. If you choose __70 or __80 next series don't get a TI next series. Just SLI the 70 or 80. Unless nvidia release a new technology that allows SLI to work between 60 70 80 TI series cards. Which may happen, I can't predict that. (but amd did try it a few series ago on their crossfire cards to a limited degree).

Anyway glad your waiting. Misery loves company. LOL. I want nothing more than to buy a new build and play on it myself. But I know I need to wait.
 

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Yeh, I've heard a lot about the new "Pascal" series being able to handle 4k alone, which means I'm probably going to get a 4k monitor but play it at 1440p just so that I can get really good frames and max out all settings.

Not sure what you think about this, but this is what I was previously suggested to do with the 980ti. I'm just really hoping that the new GPU will need at max 600Watts, because I can see it really screwing up peoples builds since its going to be able to run 4k.

Just some thoughts I had, anyway really glad you could help.