Intel Core i3 vs i5 vs i7

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I own an Intel Core i3-4170 paired with a GTX 950 and I was wondering whether it's worth upgrading to an i5 or i7. To be more specific I was considering the i5-4590 or one of the unlocked 4670K/4690K( don't mind which one). For the i7's I was considering the i7-4770 or 4790 (not interested in the unlocked i7's). So my questions are:

1) Should I go for an i5 or an i7 consider the CPU I currently have? (for gaming)
2) Should I opt for a second hand or buy new?
3) How much difference will it make against the i3 I have?
4) How "future proof" is each choice?

Thanks in advance.

P.S: please comment on UK relevant price/products etc.
 
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Much depends on the type of games you play.
Games such as sims, mmo, and strategy games depend on the performance of a single master core.
The i3-4170 @3.7 is very good for those types of games. The single thread passmark rating is 2136.
The total passmark rating is 5174.

By comparison, the i5-4590 has a single thread passmark rating of 2121 which is of no real help.
But, the total rating is better at 7214 when all 4 threads are in use.

Few games can effectively use more than 2-3 threads.

If your games are multiplayer with large numbers of participants, then a quad with a higher total rating can be helpful.

To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy...

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Even if I update to a GTX 970? Forgot to mention that, will it not bottleneck the i3?
 

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Do you know if I can overclock a CPU with this motherboard?
 

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What about the 4590 for £125 from CeX (second hand)? do you know if they give you warranty for it, or if it's safe to buy a second hand CPU?
 

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Sorry I made a mistake and chose your answer as the best one whereas the conversation between other members is still going, do you know how I remove that?
Oh and by the way I have all gaming peripherals I need, cheers :)
 

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Ah good to know, thanks for the info. I'll check up on novatech's page on ebay then. So you would reccomend an i5 rather than an i7?

 


yes for gaming there is no reason to get a i7 it will preform the same
 
Much depends on the type of games you play.
Games such as sims, mmo, and strategy games depend on the performance of a single master core.
The i3-4170 @3.7 is very good for those types of games. The single thread passmark rating is 2136.
The total passmark rating is 5174.

By comparison, the i5-4590 has a single thread passmark rating of 2121 which is of no real help.
But, the total rating is better at 7214 when all 4 threads are in use.

Few games can effectively use more than 2-3 threads.

If your games are multiplayer with large numbers of participants, then a quad with a higher total rating can be helpful.

To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one core. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option. set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many cores.

If your FPS drops significantly, it is an indicator that your cpu is the limiting factor, and a cpu upgrade is in order.

It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system, and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.

You could opt for a I7-4790K which comes with a higher stock clock of 4.0 and 4.4 turbo.

A i5-4690K can be overclocked to those numbers and perhaps higher, but, you would want a z chipset motherboard.

Most likely, I think, your best gaming upgrade will be to a stronger graphics card.

I would have no problem buying used from a good seller on ebay.
Know your prices, pay only with paypal. test promptly.
ebay will side with a buyer if the product is claimed to be not as advertised.

Many individuals are selling used i7-4790K chips in order to upgrade to skylake and are not too concerned about the price they fetch. I did that myself.
 
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That's actually a very good idea. Even though I mostly play the AAA titles that everyone plays the tests you proposed could yield some interesting results. My question to you is would a GTX 970 bottleneck the i3 I have? I already read a post on Tom's Hardware but opinions were divided so I couldn't conclude to a simple yes or no answer.

 

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Ok so it will be a safer and cheaper option to go for an i5 and a 970, in order to play all games for the following 2 years lets say? I plan to get a new pc till then.
 


yes a i5 and 970 will handle every game with high performance for the next 2 years easy
 
From a graphics point of view, a GTX970 can handle most any game well at 1080P.

From a cpu point of view, the best choice is not entirely clear.
Since you already own a i3-4170, I suggest you buy the GTX970 first and then see how you do with YOUR games.
No doubt, it will be a nice improvement, particularly for first person shooters which tend to require good graphics.

If you determine that a cpu upgrade is in order, you will then know if you need faster individual cores, or if you need more cores.

I think only a i7-4790K running at stock is likely to be a good upgrade for your current motherboard.

Nobody but YOU knows what games will come out in two years, what their requirements are, and which ones YOU will favor.
There is really no such thing as "future proofing"
Buy what you need today.... today.
When the time comes that your current pc does not do the job, plan on a suitable upgrade.




 

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Yeah I figured out that's my plan, so I will know which games are CPU dependent and which are GPU dependent, and could also try the tricks you suggested earlier to figure how much of a bottleneck the 970 will be. In two years time things will change, and if not dramatically at least enough to decide on new hardware, with a clearer head. Thanks for the advise dude couldn't have said it better myself.