New PC Build since April 2007, Opinions/Suggestions Needed

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Hello all,

Yet another PC build opinion thread. Sort of long winded, I really appreciate the time in considering my post.

Quick background, my first and latest build was April 2007. It's a bit of a franken-pc, but still runs games decently, save for the most recent and demanding games like Arkham Knight, Tomb Raiders, etc. Can't even play those. So it's time to upgrade.

I have a 680i, E6300, 9800 GT, 4 GB DDR2 1333 (possibly 800, can't remember). My intention for the build was to do a little "future proofing" and for my needs it worked out pretty well, I'd say. So I'm going for the same concept. Not sure if I need it to last nine years again since money is better now, but I don't want to have to upgrade for at least 1-2 years.

Been doing a lot of research trying to find the sweet spot between value and power for each component. Granted, I know my eyes are going to melt with joy no matter what I go with now, so I don't think it's necessary for me to spend ~$150 to go from i5 to i7, or ~$35 to go from 8GB to 16GB. On the other hand, I don't need to skimp and go i3 to save ~$100.

The future of Skylake and DDR4 seem to be a bit uncertain for investing towards them in a new build, but after a lot of reading it seems to be worthwhile. Worse comes to worse I can sell the components and take a loss on LGA1151, but it's doubtful that will happen, right?

On to the build I'm considering:

Mobos: GA-Z170X-UD5, MSI Z170A Titanium, ASRock Z170 Extreme7+
I want to splurge a bit here. I'm really interested in having multiple M.2 and I'm a data hoarder so the more SATA the better. The Titanium is there pretty much for aesthetics. If I have to bring the price down, I'm willing. I've heard crap about Gigabyte, but I've heard much more good. Also will want to be prepared to go VR, 3D, 4K down the road.

CPU: 6600K
I'm a bit of an enthusiast and will be overclocking. Will the performance increase yield noticeable real world results? Probably not, but I enjoy tinkering and learning how to OC and whatnot. So it's worth the price for the hobby of it.

RAM: 2x4 GB DDR4 3000
I've read recommendations that you should get RAM rated higher than what you expect to run it at for better stability. Benchmarks seem to show noticeable improvement in most areas when going from 2133 to 3000, and the price difference at kits I'm looking at is average $5-10, so why not go for 3000. Kind of stuck here though, I'm thinking Corsair, Crucial, G.Skill. Tridents look pretty sweet, I wouldn't mind a little red, but hoping to stay away from red tones as I want the build to be primarily black, silver, white, and blue. Any suggestions here?

GPU: GTX 970
Just trying to shave some $ off in this arena. I don't have to play everything at ultra max high super insane settings. As mentioned, I want to eventually have the ability to do VR, 3D, and 4K. GPU scaling interests me, and even if I would only see results in the Crysis franchise or 3D rendering, 3-way and 4-way SLI/Crossfire greatly interests me. Again, willing to spend a few hundred bucks down the road just for the fun of the hobby. I don't always have to squeeze out a few extra FPS, but I'll have a lot of fun trying. I've always used eVGA and wouldn't mind sticking with it, but I want to keep my mind open too, don't want to be ignorant when looking for a solid GPU. Need suggestions here too.

I figure the rest of the components are negligible. Most certainly going to save some money up front and go with a SSD, I'm looking at Samsungs 850 Pro. Performance is not as big of a concern for me here as is longevity, and I've read the Pros are essentially higher in cost for better longevity.

Lastly, I need a variety of suggestions and feedback on monitors, but I'll post there for that since that is going to be a large discussion on its own. I don't need 4K right now, doesn't seem worth it, especially with lack of media. I'm more than okay with 1080p gaming. If I can find a monitor for under $300 that supports 3D (just needs 120hz refresh rate, right?) I'll be happy. Don't really care on the size, but it has to be between 20" and 27". Even 25-27 might be too big to fit on my desk lol.

I don't have much research on cases yet, just watching reviews and deciding on colors/features. The gunmetal NZXTs look mighty pretty. Looking for full towers so I have room to play around. If everyone swears by some cases that are a plain black box, that's cool with me since later down the line I wouldn't mind doing some modding.

Thank you all! Love this community, I need to pick up and spend more time posting here.
 
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You have a pretty decent build going here. Can't really go wrong with any of these parts. The 6600K is a great cpu for gaming and will not outdate for 3-4 years. GTX 970 will do we at 1080p Gaming for at least 2-3 years. DDR4 3000 is more then enough for gaming and everyday tasks. I would recommend to get a decent power supply Seasonic, Corsair and many others will do. As for the motherboard this is one area where I don't cheap out get one that can be upgraded SlI/CF etc to future proof a little better.
 
So many issues.

Firstly, not going with 16GB of RAM is probably a bad judgement call. Especially in DDR4-land. Prices on DDR4 has dropped and is now on parity (more or less) with DDR3.

I'm not sure what you perceive as the "uncertainty" of Skylake and DDR4. Neither of those will go away. DDR4 is here for the foreseeable future. I believe at least Kaby Lake processors (an interim processor upgrade) will also be LGA 1151 compatible.

If you want that many M.2 slots, you might want to investigate where the PCIe lanes come from. I don't think Skylake at the i5/i7 (non-enthusiast) level has that many to spare.

I like ASRock and always build with them. Never had an issue yet.

I don't personally like the GTX 970. It's has hamstrung RAM, in that as soon as RAM usage exceeds 3.5 GB, then it drops dramatically in performance.

RAM, my vendor of choice is G.Skill and same thing, never had an issue yet.

SSDs are almost required for every build these days. I'm confused why you want M.2 slots and then choose SSD over M.2

Monitors. 3D is a dead horse. Look for 1440 monitors, as that is the great spot right now. The big thing for gaming is FreeSync from AMD and the competitive G-Sync from Nvidia. THey are not compatible and it's a betamax vs VHS type standards war. You have to pay extra for a monitor with the licensed G-Sync chip, but then you are locked into Nvidia, or vice-versa.

If you're gaming look for 120Hz monitors

Personally I don't go for case bling (no lights, no windows) that's just my preference. I just like a smallish dark box tucked away somewhere that makes no noise. So cases are like a religion, everyone swears by their own case favorite.

I like a large number of cases, depending on what the user will need it for, but mostly always focused on quiet and good airflow.
 

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Thank you for the fast response! I hadn't posted anything on the PSU because I'm with you on that. I certainly won't skimp. Looking at Corsair 80 Plus Golds and full modular. Whatever is the best bang for my buck that has enough wattage overhead is fine with me.



Thank you for the fast response too! Some of these things I've just read on forums in passing. I agree, I don't personally believe 1151 or DDR4 are going away. M.2 is not worth the money, in my opinion, right now. I'm not looking at spending over $100 on that. I have two SSDs right now, I'm just lazy to clear one off for this new build. I may, if I need to save some dough.

It's worth it, in my mind, to save ~$35 on going from 8GB to 16GB. I certainly see the value with doing that now, but I'd rather put that extra towards Windows 10 or a new game.

I think I'll stick with the ASRock Extreme7+. Loving the gold tone and quad PCIe.

3D is certainly a dead horse, but it's a gimmick I really want available. Like with my casual enthusiasm towards overclocking, 3D will give me a laugh here and there. I plan on taking advantage of 3D movies a lot.

What do you like over the GTX 970?

Agreed on the case religion :)
 
I'll agree, seems like a very solid plan. I'd jump up to 16gb's of Ram however, since prices are so reasonable and you mentioned future proofing in your article. The higher end AsRock boards(extreme6, extreme7, etc.) seem to perform really well with highly rated reviews, so I'd go with AsRock myself, maybe look for a similar Asus board as well? Looks like you'll be looking at around 1500 dollars overall, depending on how much a 3d monitor will cost ya. I was looking at comparable parts, minus a monitor, case, OS and I was around 1050 dollars or so.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme7+ ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($182.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.49 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1051.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-20 12:12 EST-0500

Still missing Monitor, Case, Cpu Cooler and OS though. Just parts with the best prices and performance right now.
 

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Thank you! Great list. I'm oogling at it. :love:

Well, I won't need the 2TB HDD. I have plenty of storage. Add that money saved and dropping to 2x4 GB RAM give me $100 to throw towards other components.

The CPU, mobo, RAM, and GPU are the essentials I'll need right now. I have a Thermaltake 80 Plus silver PSU @ 750W, a mid-tower ATX case, and 1080p monitor, so if I have to, I can use those for now.

I love the SuperNOVA though, and the Twin Frozr's sound cool (no pun intended). I also like the ACX 2.0. Never been a fan of MSI, but only because of anecdotal word of mouth from friends with MSI laptops and mobos.

Lastly, at the beginning of my quest for this new build, I was really amped for the ASUS Z170 Deluxe. Sure I can get wifi with a USB adapter or expansion card, but the whole board, especially color scheme, really excited me. Then I did more research and found how unbelievably cheaper ASRock is, and also read about ASUS board warping. I have PTSD from my 680i coming with a bent CPU latch and warped board. Still works great, not sure why I never RMAd (I was too excited, impatient, and n00bish to care at the time), but I'm not about to repeat it, so I was put off by ASUS. Again, probably over worried, but ASRock Extremes are just too good to pass up for the price.
 


3D is the kind of gimmick like having a SEGA game controller. Useless. And it will preclude you from having the real longevity features. Freesync/G_Sync and 1440P monitors. But yea, it's your $$$ and no-one can stop you. :)

Right now, if you're into gimmicky things, the AMD Nano is a pretty awesome package. HBM Memory and all that in a super-small package.

Or the higher end Fury with AIO liquid cooling - which is something else you'd want to look into - it's made huge improvements for CPU cooling since 2007. Since about 2011 I only build with AIO liquid coolers.

Really, step away from 3D and look at other things to spend that money on. I can't believe you won't spend a small amount on RAM, yet will waste on a 3D monitor for ... ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202162

 
The Psu I listed is really nice, but if you have a quality silver-rated Psu it probably wouldnt' be worth upgrade.

AsRock started out as a subsidiary of Asus, and they make nice motherboards. My only complaint is the ease of updating the motherboard software off of their site. Since I only have to worry about that every once in a great while, not a big deal.

My very first motherboard I bought was an MSI, and I loved it. I'd buy one again(after reading reviews and finding a quality one).

The price difference between 16gb and 8gb of Ram is negligible, I'd just do it honestly. Didn't know about the storage situation, so tossed in more space than I normally would.
 

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Thank you again Karsten. I suppose I justify the 3D over RAM because I can spend $50 on doubling RAM in 1-2 years, but don't want to spend $$$ on a monitor now when I have one @ 1080p already, then buy a 1440 monitor now, and later, a monitor that say is capable of 3D AND 4K when 3D is even more dead and the tech is more rare. I'm joining the game late, but not too late (in my opinion). I may just stick with this monitor and wait to see what these curved (I'm skeptical about how that will actually affect my experience) or other fancy things coming out over the next 5 years will have to offer. Also forgot to mention I learned about G-Sync and Freesync the other day. Sounds awesome. I have no problem being stuck with nVidia. I'm not confident in AMD's future. Intel and nVidia are never going away from the PC arena, at least not anytime soon. That being said, is HBM really gimmicky though?

Yea Twin Frozr looks great, I think I may go with it.