Raid 1+0 (10) solution?

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I have 3 ssds and a 1tb hdd.(All sata 3) I want to setup raid 10, im aware of what it is, but what do I need for it? My system is totally capable, with my motherboard being a terrible h81 board with 2 sata 3 and 2 sata 2. Will I need a new board? Please try to convince me away from raid, i know the dangers and that it is NOT a backup. This is the only area in pc building I struggle with. I have a budget of $40 USD for anything ill need. I have no problem buying used off Craigslist or amazon.
My specs
Lga 1150 h81 pro btc asrock(mobo)
I7 4790k
Gtx 970
8gb ballistix ram
3 850 evo
1 tb wd blue
EDIT: This is for downloading, exporting 4k, editing 4k and of course gaming.
 
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Your post is kind of strange and confusing.

You want to setup a raid 10 between 3 ssds and 1 hard drive. You can but it would be foolish. You are better off putting the 3 SSds into a raid5 and leaving the HD out of it. This will allow for a single drive failure and an increase in read speed.

Not trying to be an arse or anything but if you have to ask a question like this, you probably shouldnt be using RAID. You never stated why you wanted to use RAID in the first place.
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Your post is kind of strange and confusing.

You want to setup a raid 10 between 3 ssds and 1 hard drive. You can but it would be foolish. You are better off putting the 3 SSds into a raid5 and leaving the HD out of it. This will allow for a single drive failure and an increase in read speed.

Not trying to be an arse or anything but if you have to ask a question like this, you probably shouldnt be using RAID. You never stated why you wanted to use RAID in the first place.
 
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If you are looking to boost your performance but have some failover, do what fierfoxx04 said by going raid 5 and forgetting the hdd. If you want to just boost the performance, put the three ssd in raid 0, forget the hdd. Use the HDD as just an expansion and store your files that you are not actively using on it. Like the videos you have finished editing. Those you are in the middle editing put on the raid drives. Put all software on the raid drives.
 
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My last system had 3 ssds and an hdd in raid. My brother built it for me so dont ask why I cant do it again. I have a 950GB backup. I want the speed of 3 ssds and the storage of a hard drive. I talked to my brother and he says that it was raid 0, not 10. My mistake. I the drives are all 60GB which clearly isnt enough. I was basically asking for mobo recommendation.
My problem is definitely not solved, i picked you as best answer on accident.
 
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Just pick up any board with a SATA III controller with at least 4 ports on a single channel. Most likely going to be a H or Z class board. Might be a few B class boards with the right arrangement, but it is not a huge price difference.

You could also just get an independent PCIe RAID controller.
 
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Ok but I would get the speed of three ssds, correct? And storage of the hdd? Running raid 0 of course
 
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Yes, what you would need to do once you get the board is put the three ssd in raid 0, and just hook up the hdd and let it be expanded storage. That set up would give you roughly 180gb of storage through raid 0 that would be used for you OS and any software, and then you would have your 1tb hdd for backup storage.

I dont think your brother put a 1tb hdd in raid with 60gb ssd cause that would make the 1tb hdd look as if it were a 60gb hdd. He probably used the above configuration.
 
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But its going to be hard because all thats happening is a 1tb flash drive in the form of an external hdd. Thats not what I want! Whats the point of have 3 ssds if all my storage (aside from os) is basically on a mechanical flash drive? A slow one. Whats the point in 3 ssds if im just reading and writing to an external hdd? quick boot times?
 
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Now I think you've lost everyone...

What is mechanical flash?

Raid 0 takes any number of drives and stripes them. With three drives, 1/3 of your data is stored on each drive. If a single drive fails, then all the data is lost. So 180GB, but formatted would be a but less then that.

Raid 1 is having two drives (generally) acting as an identical pair, basically a redundant pair. Raid 0+1 would be a mirror set up to so that these devices copy on the fly to your hard drive. As was mentioned it would have to be a matching partition, but not necessarily the whole drive. So a 160GB partition on the 1TB drive could be a backup of your SSDs. Doesn't matter where backup as long as you have a copy. Chances are very low that two drives would fail at the same time. You could then format the remainder of the drive as you want.

The advantages would be that you would have one larger single volume. Performance wise, wouldn't really change, since your maximum speed is really set by the SATA III connection and not the drives. Read speeds would be impressive when doing sequential pulls, but nothing you would notice day to day. Write speeds would be about the same if the SSDs were by themselves. With the mirrored drive, you would eventually hit a saturation point between memory and the write speed of the hard drive. So large queue depths would suffer a lot I would think.

I would almost opt for the SSDs to be striped (because I also like the larger volume) but just do a scheduled backup to a normal partition rather then raid. That way you don't suffer a lot of performance loss and you have a backup.

Though honestly, for $80 or so you could just get a larger SSD and not mess with it at all.
 
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Not mechanical flash. Similar to a flash drive, just more storage and way bigger=external hard drive. So basically there is no way to have the speed of three ssds and the storage of my 1tb drive? Thats all I want to know.
 
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no. that why I said you have no idea what you are talking about. either that you just not explaining it .
there are few 1TB or more SSD. why don't you buy those instead?
 
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Alright, listen. Having just files on a raid 0 drive is pointless. It is a waste of use for raid. You will not notice the boost much. What you need to do is have your 3 ssd in raid 0 and have the hdd as bonus storage. OS and programs on your ssd. Files on your hdd. You will get plenty fast speeds.
 
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Maybe bc its out of my $ range?
$375 for a used 850 pro
60gb ssdx3=120
One tb hdd=30

 
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I want the 1tb of storage too! Is this possible or no!??!??
 
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Who said anything about an 850 Pro, and good lord, what a 1TB drive?

Samsung 850 Evo 250GB = $87.50, Canada $110, AUS ~$130

You would actually pay $120 for 180GB of SSD storage? You can do much better then that by going with cheaper brand drives. Samsung Evo has great performance for its price.
 
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I was replying to the guy who recommended I get one! That rgd guy
 
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NOOOOOO. how many time we have to said it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
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ok. Thats all i wanted. Ur gunnah mayk mee crie
 
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