Not getting very good fps in games, not sure what to upgrade

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

I have a GTX 960 evga 2GB, with a MSI motherboard and a 860k anthlon amd CPU, and 8 GB of ram, I play on 1080p, I'd really like to know why I dont get as good fps as I should be, my optimal settings run badly on GEforce, and others with the same gpu as me get better fps, so I was wondering if I should maybe upgrade my CPU? I was going to upgrade to an i5 or an amd 8 core, with a new motherboard, but I wanted to ask online first. It's weird, I know it's not a bottleneck but I run some games badly, like rust, warhammer vermintide.

Hyboria · Feb 23, 2016

Your CPU is what's holding your computer back.

Upgrading to an i5 is an excellent idea.

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

The CPU is a slight bottleneck yes, if you upgrade it definitely go the i5 path. However if you are trying to play games like Witcher 3 on ultra then the not so optimal performance is to be expected.

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

I play witcher 3 a bit, i get decent fps, but some games I do not, but I should be with a 960, I thought it would be the cpu that is holding me back.

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

Well it is the CPU, yes, but the GPU plays part in that as well, unfortunately the gtx 960 is a poor performer. Its performance is way lower than that of the gtx 970, even though it is just one level below, in fact the gap between the 960 and 970 is the biggest out there while the gaps between 950 and 960, 970 and 980, 980 and 980ti are way smaller (one of the reasons why Nvidia were planning on making 960Ti was to shorten the gap). So maybe selling the 960 and getting a 970 would be more of a performance boost than the CPU and would cost close to equal. Let's not forget the 860k might be old, might be quad-core but is still 3.7Ghz with performance close to that of the FX-6300 and we know that this CPU is pretty capable of not bottlenecking most games even now.

Petar Raickovic · Feb 23, 2016

Migalis :

Well the problem is In dx11 games your gpu 90% works only with 1 core.... AMD has that problem that is weak in Single core operations or single core threads, That is where intel is stronger right now.. But in dx12 AMD will be
similar.. Coz more cores will work with Gpu... If you want to upgrade right now i will go with i5... if you are not in a hurry wait for amd zen at the half of 2016.... and intel price will drop even more.

P.S like Ginger said 960 gtx is not gr8 card... Same for 970 gtx im not a fanboy but u just have to look with eyes open... Dose not support Dx12, dose not have 4gb of vram it has 3.5.... anyway if u have time listen to this video yes is about Pascal and Polaris but it has so much info about current cards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw-QA1BanJw

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

Yes I knew this about the 960 and 970, sad to hear :'(

, so you're suggesting to get a new cpu then get a 970 and sell 960?

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Petar Raickovic :

Migalis :

Well the problem is In dx11 games your gpu 90% works only with 1 core.... AMD has that problem that is weak in Single core operations or single core threads, That is where intel is stronger right now.. But in dx12 AMD will be
similar.. Coz more cores will work with Gpu... If you want to upgrade right now i will go with i5... if you are not in a hurry wait for amd zen at the half of 2016.... and intel price will drop even more.

P.S like Ginger said 960 gtx is not gr8 card... Same for 970 gtx im not a fanboy but u just have to look with eyes open... Dose not support Dx12, dose not have 4gb of vram it has 3.5.... anyway if u have time listen to this video yes is about Pascal and Polaris but it has so much info about current cards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw-QA1BanJw

All read, I understand what you are saying, so what is your preferred card then? I hear all these great things about the gtx 970, and the 900 series seem to get way better benchmarks than most new amd gpus, but what is your suggestion if not the 970, for that price range?

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

Migalis :

One by one. First get the new CPU, something solid like i5-6500, which will last you a long time, then the gtx 960 is not that bad, especially when paired with that cpu you will have no performance drops due to the CPU, so hold onto the gtx 960 and wait for pascal a few months more. Big things are about to happen with full dx12 support and nextgen gpus, but you will have to wait a little. However if you have the money, the gtx 970 is still a great card, doesn't matter if its 3.5gb or even 2gb vram, the way vram works makes anything above 2gb vram pretty pointless, especially when it comes to 1080p.

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

Migalis :

One by one. First get the new CPU, something solid like i5-6500, which will last you a long time, then the gtx 960 is not that bad, especially when paired with that cpu you will have no performance drops due to the CPU, so hold onto the gtx 960 and wait for pascal a few months more. Big things are about to happen with full dx12 support and nextgen gpus, but you will have to wait a little. However if you have the money, the gtx 970 is still a great card, doesn't matter if its 3.5gb or even 2gb vram, the way vram works makes anything above 2gb vram pretty pointless, especially when it comes to 1080p.

Thanks a lot, this helped a lot, I've been questioning for a very long time, I will do exactly that then wait for the pascal, I have higher hopes for nvidia, amd always seems to fail my expectations. xD

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

Strange, I always have higher hopes for AMD since nvidia tend to overprice their products quite a bit (for reference right now gtx 970 costs around $350 and r9 290x costs around $270 and it can go blow for blow with the gtx 970, not to mention they dropped the price of the Fury Nano by $150 and the Fury X is more than likely soon to follow). So I hope AMD don't blow their advantage with HBM2 now and come back in the game.

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

Yes, i can agree with you on that point actually, especially since I am canadian and the prices hear for cards are incredibly high, a 970 is average 450$, so yea. If amd comes out with nice prices, Ill definitely take a look at those polaris cards haha

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

Yeah, definitely, time will tell, maybe this time Nvidia won't be able to overprice their cards so much, I mean gtx 980ti is good, but not $650 good come on.

Petar Raickovic · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

980ti performance is worst in dx12 then r9 290x LoL... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAQFpaGh8 it's not only about test in Ashes watch the video and u will see..

Migalis · Feb 23, 2016

Gingerbread :

yea, well I mean its 1000$ in canada xD, ya I don't think the 980ti was that great.

Gingerbread · Feb 23, 2016

NVidia and Intel are screwing with the prices way too much right now, selling everything for more than it costs, that's why I hope Zen is a big thing, same goes for Polaris.

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