Over clocking failed due to processor overclock? Or bad memory?

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I recently altered the voltage and multiplier on my ASUS saber tooth x99, of the processor. Everything's great using ASUS Benchmark utility.

But twice in borderlands computer froze the game. Once had to power off and once had to Close program manually.

Then I switched the over clocking processor to auto leaving the multiplier at 38 with a voltage in a ratio compliant with other known working stable over locks for my 5820k processor.

Any additional information will be appreciated but my stupid question is:
World of Warcraft crashed yesterday due to memory not being able to be read. Can this be due to poor voltage setting on overclock of cpu? I have not touched the memory in bios.
Or might I have a bad stick of memory which could take a month to resolve with my 8x4 gig memory.
 
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You can still OC DRAM with a CPU OC, in factr in many cases one might need the CPU OCed to run the higher data rate DRAM. Even with high data rate DRAM (say 2666, I've OCed the sticks up to 3000 with healthy OC on the CPU. It all depends on the individual set of sticks and your individual CPU
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Thanks for the response, I just installed a water cooler for my system, and proceeded with an entirely different over clock. From my scouring the internet it appears that possibly he odd errors I was reaching may have been due to the fact that I was using an "ancient" 2.5 inch laptop hard drive as a storage device. So I disconnected the device entirely. I'm currently running RealBench for stress tests at 4 ghz (multiplier 40) with around 1.25 volts running to processor. 12 minutes so far and appears to be coming up with positive results so this may have been the problem in the first place.
 
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Yes, but I was using a very well done tutorial on overclocking the x99 motherboard with the exact same processor as I've got the 5820k so everything was very similar and he said a safe bet with that processor would be 1.3 volts (if you're temp is safe) and an overclock multiplier of 45.

I tried this and while stress testing found that my temps were not safe reaching 75 and probably would have gone to about 85 if I had not canceled the test. So I tried to take a ratio of the normal cpu voltage running in at it's normal speed of 3.3 ghz, and the ratio of the 1.3v running at the new speed of 4.5 ghz. So I could bring it down into a safe range.

I don't know a lot about overclocking,... but my stress test appears to be passing after running for 15 minutes and it's taken quite a bit of tweaking to reach that.

Next I'm going to try an XMP profile and run the same stress tests. I've found with Corsair 2133 MHz vengeance memory, the XMP profile suggesting 2400 MHz- simply has extremely unstable consequences, failure to boot and such.

So I'm going to just pick one that switches the timing around a little bit- rerun my stress test probably for an extended period of time over night, perhaps 4 hours and that should give me enough of an idea of the stability at that point.

Also with my lack of overclocking (this is all relatively new to me) I wasn't stress testing the system, I was firing up the cores by using benchmark. I guess that shows the blonde hair I occasionally have with this machine. :p
 
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I am still learning. You both were right I do believe. I've got a 15 minute stress test of the CPU passing at 4 ghz with 1.225 core voltage on my 2011-v3 5820k intel processor. I am very satisfied with this result. Now I'm going to really grill it run a 2 hour test just to make sure everything's really okay. I have not touch the memory.

I still feel the need to test the computer processor more. As with a core voltage of 1.220 and a 2133mhz XMP profile activated she, my computer, failed her stress test.

Which means both supplied XMP profiles are faulty for this memory/motherboard/and cpu. Which is definitely ASUS' fault as this memory was chosen to be fully compatible with Intel's processor and fully compatible (or so they said) with ASUS' x99 Sabertooth motherboard.

But ASUS' compatibility lists are horrendous, and the customer support is even worse from my personal experience and hearing others-they suck at these things. If you want to hear my gripe about ASUS read on if not move to the next message ;) I called ASUS after researching the m.2 SSD compatibility list on ASUS' website for the Sabertooth x99. After examining ALL of the m.2 parts they listed, they CLEARLY got them all wrong in the pdf of recommendations. They were suggesting m.2s that would not even go in the socket. They were the larger both key socket m.2s. I called them and they directed me to that pdf. I told the guy on the phone I have already investigated ALL of these and they do not fit. I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt, because yeah I can be a ditz on occasions, and not listen to people. So we kept looking into the issue and he was way off, over and over, and over again. Trying to tell me their data was accurate when I have the motherboard right in front of me and there was no two key socket on the board. What are the keys m and k or something,... anyway, no M and B after looking at Wikipedia.

Summation of ASUS' BS: Their pdf about recommended products for their devices is a crock of BS occasionally. All the m.2 SSDs listed with M and B keyed and none of them even fit the Sabertooth x99 board. I did my own research and followed the example others made, which was to go with the M keyed Samsung 950 Pro. But that customer support man, that was worse than them recommending inaccurate devices, because the operator kept insisting he was right, asked for a supervisor and never got one.

Okay done ripping on ASUS, but it appears that the memory they suggested does is not fully compatible with this board-that is, to the extent that it's XMP profiles are functional.
 
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You can still OC DRAM with a CPU OC, in factr in many cases one might need the CPU OCed to run the higher data rate DRAM. Even with high data rate DRAM (say 2666, I've OCed the sticks up to 3000 with healthy OC on the CPU. It all depends on the individual set of sticks and your individual CPU
 
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Sorry but you aren't making any sense, on todays rigs, the CPU OCs independently of the DRAM, i.e. you mention Haswell, with a decent CPU you can run the CPU at 4.8 pretty much regardless if running 1333, 1600, 1866 ---2400, 2666, 2800. On the other side running large amounts of DRAM at very high data rates can put enough of a load on the CPU (particularly the MC (memory controller) which might restrict the CPU's OC a bit i.e. (Haswell, 4770K, my one CPU can easily run 4.8 even with 32GB of 2400, but when I kick up to a 2800 set of 32GB, my OC either falls to 4.7 or I need to add more voltage to the CPU to keep it at 4.8. You see this even more on AMD rigs as AMD's MCs are on the weaker side ;)
 
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So, if someone were to try to overclock their i7 4770k with RAM rated to run at 1333 mhz, they will see no bottleneck in performance?

 
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Will the CPU be bottlenecked - no - and sorry but no idea where you are trying to go.

First you said if the CPU is OCed then you can't OC the DRAM - False

Then you say that lower data rate DRAM hampers an OC of the CPU - which is also false.

The CPU and what DRAM you run haven't been tied together for about 6 years or so, A 4770K will ruin fine and OC fine (let's say with a CPU OC to 4.6) with 1333 DRAM, as the data rate goes up to 1866, 2400 or whatever the overall system performance will go up or stay fairly static depending on what you are doing with the rig
 
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It was a genuine question, I don't know a ton about how RAM works together with the CPU on Haswell/Broadwell chips.

I've personally been overclocking by adjusting the BCLK, which does have an effect on memory speed as well as CPU speed (running an i5 6400).

By the way, your personal results with overclocking will not be the exact compared to someone else (people here always mention the Silicon Lottery, especially moderators).

I am basing some of my answers on personal experience with my overclocking setup, and partly from information I've learned on other overclocking forums.

You may have additional knowledge on how overclocking works, in all its exactness, but I asked a genuine question and you started to foam at the mouth.

I do think I need to pay closer attention to detail, but attacking me for being naive is just plain mean.

There are benchmarks showing that running RAM at a higher speed comes with the cost of having to run your CPU at a lower speed (if both are being overclocked). There is an inverse relationship after a certain point.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

Yes, it is good to be exact and definitive when displaying the most correct answer, but remember that this is a forum, a place where people discuss, not attack. Not to mention the majority of the population here is composed of people who aren't experts. An exchange of knowledge, not blood buddy.

Put the teeth away, remember that you're typing on a keyboard.
 
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You made a statement

"Overclocking your CPU comes with the cost of being unable to overclock your RAM, that's not bad luck, it's just the way it works. "

Sorry but's it's false, which I explained. We try and correct and explain when false statements are made, especially when one such as your is so definitive - telling people that OCing your CPU means you can't OC your DRAM - then adding the bit of it's not bad luck it's the way it is, to me isn't sharing anything other than false info.

Your second response - I flat out said, you aren't making sense, and again you are making a statement as if it's fact, when it's not. As in any forums I've been in, people making false statements as facts get corrected, especially when it's a forum with knowledgeable members. DRAM is one of the least understood components in a rig, which in part led to me writing an article for Tom's, a tech piece, DDR3 FAQs and Fiction, which they split into two parts and are published in the main reviews/editorial side of Toms, links can be found here:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2741495/ddr3-faqs-fiction.html
 
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Well looks like I have found my answer. Ran memtest on my 8x4 gigs of ram and 3 errors popped up. It's difficult to determine but I believe two sticks are faulty. Nice work corsair vengeance.

After I remove them I should be able to fix all my issues. Removed four sticks left with 4 x 4 gigs of RAM. Ran a stress test, after watching my cpu temp reach 79 decided the voltage was too high. Dropped it down to 1.16 volts at 4 ghz, she's running like a champ. Now just need to get this RAM replaced and I'm g2g.
 
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UPDATE: After replacing RAM, far too many times, and replacing the motherboard. With Corsair's Tech Support we decided it had to be a problem with the CPU. Talked to Intel, got it warrantied out, swapped CPUs and this thing is running like a friggin beast!

Props to both Corsair and Intel's support. Asus support two thumbs down.
 
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