Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163 :
we proved a few days ago that the skylake is better value if you live in the us, but not necessarily around the world. if you already have existing ddr3 ram, the 4690 is better value. if you dont have ddr3 ram, then ddr4 system is better value by 1% last time i checked. you may want to verify this is the case where you live.
Value = money?
In Spain, Skylake processors are about 20€ more expensive than their Haswell equivalent, Motherboards +20€ and DDR4 about +10€. I don't have any DDR3 RAM modules (i'm using all), and my friend switches from Laptop to PC.
advancedmixedgaming :
If it's truly a budget PC, the 4690k is a great option for gaming. And you're right, the parts are cheaper, and there is only about a %5 gaming performance gain (correct me if I'm wrong) between Haswell and Skylake.
¿And the other uses? He wants the PC for "soft" render, non-professional.
blazorthon :
The i5-4690 is faster than the i5-6400, but I'd think that is partially negated by the i5-4690 also being a little more expensive.
The i5-4690K only has an advantage where higher overclocking is desired. Otherwise, it is a waste of money.
"but I'd think that is partially negated by the i5-4690 also being a little more expensive." You are talking about i5 4690 and 4690K or 6400-4690? Sorry, but I don't understand what you are talking about
10tacle :
You write better English than a lot of Americans I know, so no apologies needed! :lol: . Something else you guys may want to consider is a future upgrade path. Perhaps two years from now he may decided he needs a more powerful i7 CPU for office productivity applications like video editing software. In two years the Haswells will be hard to find new, but the Skylakes will still be around and there will be an updated Skylake for the 1151 chipsets (Kaby Lake).
As far as direct performance comparison in games, there is little to no difference between Haswell and Skylake (
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i5_6600k_processor_review_desktop_skylake,15.html ). But like the other guy said above, it depends on what you can get in Spain and the price difference. The general rule of thumb is to build with the current generation of hardware insetad of a previous generation even if spending a little more, up to €100 or so. But if the difference is much more than that where you are, it's not worth it.
Haha, thanks! I tested (recently, few days ago) two configurations, with i5 4690K+Asus Z97P+2x4 G.Skill 2133Mhz DDR3, and with i5 6400+*I don't remember, it was a H170 motherboard, more expensive*+2x4 G.Skill 2133Mhz DDR4 (the other components were the same in both) and the price was EXACTLY the same. But, I retried and 6400+Z170-P(the equivalent, but it could be another one)+2x4G.Skill 2133Mhz DDR4 is about 30€ cheaper than the 4690K configuration. Processor is a little bit cheaper, but the change is on DDR4 RAMs, they are 10€ cheaper than DDR3 (with G.Skill). Well, but if I change 6400 and I put 6600K, the price grows 40€
www.pccomponentes.com/pccly/7b8aBe0d <- Haswell 930€
www.pccomponentes.com/pccly/E1De8174 <- Skylake 6400, 902€
www.pccomponentes.com/pccly/A0038fC0 <- Skylake 6600K, 970€
(It isn't neccesary to check the configurations, simply see the price difference.)
I don't think that he will want to replace the processor in two years... Probably in 5, we don't have US people purchasing power!
blazorthon :
Ehh, it isn't as important that a CPU be new as some other components, especially if they aren't overclocking models. Even if used models are all that's available, they're generally fine.
You mean that Haswell models aren't obsolete at all, and that release time of CPU (1-3 years, not 10) is not a decisive factor?
geofelt :
There are budgets, and budgets.
I do not think a 4690K cpu is in my definition of a budget category.
Do some research and consider the merits of a skylake i3-6100 and a graphics card in the GTX960/GTX970 performance class.
Only if the primary games played are multiplayer would a i5-6400 be a significantly better choice.
Using a i3-6100 would free up budget for a stronger graphics card.
I would spend a bit extra for a Z170 based motherboard that would open up future options to overclockable "K" cpu chips as well as upcoming kaby lake.
True, DDR3 and DDR4 do not perform significantly differently.
But DDR4 prices have dropped to parity with DDR3.
Well, I used budget to talk about a mid-range PC, where low is a Pentium/i3 and where high is... 2011-3 processor and, eh... Titan X quad-sli (NOPE)
An i3 processor is not an option. He also wants the PC for video rendering (non-professional), and for that reason I think that Haswell 4690 will perform better than 6400.
Yep, DDR4 prices dropped, haha... And waiting for kaby lake isn't an option, he wants the PC in... few days...
Aabhas95 :
I5 6400 is better its a 14nm construction and could run better than 4690 but if you are comparing 4690 going with 6600 would the the right choice...i mean it coud blow out
Eing?
blazorthon :
Aabhas95 :
I5 6400 is better its a 14nm construction and could run better than 4690 but if you are comparing 4690 going with 6600 would the the right choice...i mean it coud blow out
The fab process is a null point. Being smaller is not necessarily better. Blowing out is certainly not a common problem for chips on either process and is actually more likely for the newer process because the older one is more mature, but again, still highly unlikely.
The two greatest factors are the performance and the price. Skylake offers slightly higher performance (depending on what chips you compare, that is not the case with the i5-6400 versus the i5-4690, but the i5-4690 is a more high-end model and not directly comparable, the i5-4460 is a more comparable Haswell model to the i5-6400) and a slightly better upgrade path at a slightly higher price. Whether or not the price is justified by those two things is what matters.
Price matters, if it were not so, my friend would have OBVIOUSLY a Skylake 6600/6600K. And, if he buys Skylake, it would be the 6400 :S
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Lel, I spent a lot of time for writing this haha. Thanks for everyone! I will be waiting for more answers, and for your replies! After that, I will select the best one.
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