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Wondering if the fx 8350 would be able to handle light video editing and major gaming? I pretty much want to be able multitask watching streams and fbing while gaming.

I have a budget of 400 along with the 16gb ddr3 and the 950.

Can anyone suggest a build to my needs? Thanks


 
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For a strict budget I think an fx8350 should do alright.
They are good for multitasking, and alright for gaming (not as good as intel) but it shouldn't matter too much; the 950 will bottleneck before the fx does.
Also, with dx12 multi core cpus *should* be seeing a performance boost in games.
In fact, if you can squeeze a few extra bucks into your budget, I'd suggest going for something like a 960.
Its great value (fps to the dollar) if your going to be doing "major" gaming.

But the amd looks good :) Cheap decent cpu, cheap MoBo options available.
 


+1 The only way to get better performance than the FX 8350 for watching streams and multi-tasking while gaming would be to go to Intel i7 and that is a large price jump. Intel i5 processors, although being better gaming CPUs don't do well with streaming and multi-tasking while playing games. The only real upgrade for doing all that would be to go to i7. For a cheap build for your needs the FX 8350, FX 8370 would be your best bet. Do you already have your motherboard? If not I highly endorse this great budget gaming board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128651&cm_re=GIGABYTE_GA-970A-UD3P_%28rev._1.0%29_AM3%2b%2fAM3_AMD_970_SATA_6Gb%2fs_USB_3.0_ATX_AMD_Motherboard-_-13-128-651-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Skimlinks-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3736271&SID=skim83512X1540009Xadb9cd0f4037192c8afcab725570ed5b&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks
 


Yep this is the best performance / cost board available for a processor like the FX 8350. It has 8+2 power phase and full VRM cooling. It is a board you can overclock on and will give you the best performance for the cost.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128651&cm_re=GIGABYTE_GA-970A-UD3P_%28rev._1.0%29_AM3%2b%2fAM3_AMD_970_SATA_6Gb%2fs_USB_3.0_ATX_AMD_Motherboard-_-13-128-651-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Skimlinks-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=12087162&PID=3736271&SID=skim83512X1540009Xadb9cd0f4037192c8afcab725570ed5b&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks
 
I also highly endorse the FX 8370 processor. It has AMDs best binning so it will hit higher overclocks at less Vcore and is a tweaked FX 8350 so it has slightly better performance and power usage (again because its better binned it requires less Vcore than the 8350).
 

Rhombo

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I went with the MSI 970A SLI Krait edition, because its a decent and affordable SLI capable board. So in the future when the 970 isn't performing like I need it too, I can chuck in another one.
But that requires a larger PSU.
 

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Sorry I'm not understanding all the vocab in your replies ( vcore, binning)

Do you have a link on learning how to overclock? Sorry, still a newbie here.
 


At minimum I would get 500-550W 80+ Gold. That will give you some cushion if you decide you want to overclock or add more hardware down the road.
 


Yep posting some very good links on overclock FX 8350:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-pi...

A good video to watch and he overclocks using fsb - I have always found it best to get just over half your overclock with the multiplier and just under half your overclock with fsb (which will improve your single core performance more).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckeAmnDeTk

This video is more or less just for fun, but it is a master overclocker walking you through a 5Ghz overclock on the FX 8370E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnM07DAyqZI
 

johnv466267

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I was thinking of getting the r9 380 because it has 4gb of vram if I plan to upgrade my gpu.
I looked through a ton of reviews on the 950 and 960 and I couldn't justify another $50 on getting the 960 so I got the gtx 950 instead.



 


Everything is looking good. If you can find a R9 290 (like Asus, MSI, or Sapphire Tri-X) you may get a better deal for the older 290, and the R9 290 will outperform the R9 380, if you can find one. Also the Hyper 212EVO, although being an excellent cooler, has now been outperformed in the budget after market cooler world by the Cryorig H7. The H7 has better overall cooling than the Hyper 212 EVO (however if you can get the 212 on sale - like what is posted its still very much worth it). I would also recommend taking a printout of your build and seeing if you have a MicroCenter close enough to you to shop there first. Not all the time, but most of the time you can get parts cheaper at a MicroCenter than ordering online and take those parts home same day.

I should have explained the processor binning better to you. Processors are a mass produced part and AMD doesn't make its own silicon. It relies on a company called GlobalFoundries, which is one reason why Zen has taken so long to come as GlobalFoundries had to get their 14nm process down before AMD could go forward. The silicon is tested and separated into different "classes" - the very best silicon produced is made into FX 9590, FX 9370, and FX 8370(E). The next class of silicon is made into FX 8350 and the lowest class is made into FX 8320, FX 63xx and so on. The binning of the silicon directly effects how the processor works. The very best binning will allow the processor to hit its base clock, turbo clock, and overclocks with less voltage (what we call Vcore). Because it requires less voltage to run at the same clocks the processor will produce less heat be more energy efficient and be able to be pushed harder while overclocking. This holds true for the FX 8370(E) but not really the FX 9xxx series as AMD set their TDP to a whopping 220W to ensure a stable high factory overclock. Back before the refreshed FX 8370(E) and the 9xxx processors were produced there was a much higher chance of getting a "golden" FX 8350 (one with excellent binning) because the highest binned silicon was used for the then flagship FX 8350. Now it is much harder to get a really good binned FX 8350 and most of them are going to top off at ~4.8Ghz or so and will require 1.5V - 1.55V on average to get there. Most FX 8370 processors will overclock to 5Ghz - 5.2Ghz range and on average need ~ 1.44V @ 5Ghz and 1.5 - 1.55 when you push past 5Ghz. An overclocked FX 8370 @ 5Ghz and 1.44 - 1.48V (where all of the FX 8370s I have overclocked have become stable) will run cooler and be more energy efficient than a FX 8350 @ 4.8Ghz and 1.5 - 1.55V. That is putting it in the most easy layman's terms I can think of, there are much more technical way to explain it, but will become confusing quickly.
 

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Thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense to me now. And sadly I live in CA so there's no close Microcenter nearby. I'll be ordering everything online.
I was able to find a deal for 2x r9 290s on craigslist for $400 but I'm just not sure how much life they have in them.
 
Buying used parts directly from the previous owner can be hazardous. Think about it like buying a used car. If you go to a dealership you can get them to give you some type of warranty on it and they typically have their mechanics give it a good go over to ensure there is nothing horribly wrong with it. If you buy directly from the current owner you get no warranty, all you have is his word and he may actually not know something major is going as he's not a mechanic.

The only real way to test it them would be to put them under load and see what happens. Typically if you can pass GPU stress test (at stock for testing if its a good part) FurMark without any artifacts then the cards are good. Each one should be tested individually. Another "test" I like to put the GPU though is Heaven benchmark, when the benchmark is set to extreme 1080p typically if a GPU has a problem it will show up in Heaven benchmark (again you would be looking for artifacts on stock clocks to determine if the GPU is good). With the R9 290 you also want to get one with good cooling like the Sapphire Tri-X or Vapor X.
 


See now all you have to do is pack up the girlfriend / wife, find a nice nearby restaurant and attraction and tell her your going for a romantic day trip. If you just happen to pass by the MicroCenter on the way well..... And you get big time brownie points for planning something special ;)
 

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Love the idea but she doesn't want a new computer ^_^ She would prefer a new camera instead lol
 


Hence the romantic day trip to get away from where you are now and visit someplace new. Your not going there to get the part, your taking her someplace special, and then picking up the part as a minor segue. You can even leave her pricing their selection of cameras while you slip away (say to the "bathroom"), get what you need, maybe make your way to the car's trunk....

When it comes to picking up computer parts (and only that) I have found the best way to get them and earn major brownie points is to plan a special day near the store you need to go to and slip in the purchase without her direct knowledge. That way she's happy and your happy. I've been married a long time to a wonderful woman who thinks computers are a total waste of time and money (even though I have a side business building custom rigs :heink:). Best way to keep her happy is when she doesn't directly know I'm investing in computer parts ;)

But the deal on Amazon isn't that bad either. I myself run a R9 290 (the Sapphire R9 290 Vapor X overclocked that I then overclocked). I'm running 1180Mhz on the GPU clock and 1500Mhz on the memory clock. When I benchmark my GPU I get slightly better scores than a stock R9 290X.
 
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