Nvidia cards won't support dX12?

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Shaun98

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I've been looking into a build for the last few months and finally saved enough to get the 980ti but before I am going to buy it I spoke to people who said don't, because all of the current nvidia GPUs won't support dx12 and to go with one of the high end AMD cards as they will perform better on dx12? Can someone help me out with this because now I'm not sure if I should be going AMD or Nvidia
 
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The first two DirectX 12 benchmarks are both AMD titles. They heavily promote the one and only advantage that AMD has in DirectX 12. The final assessment cannot be made with the current available benchmarks.

On the other side, current Nvidia cards can do the full DirectX 12_1 feature set, which AMD cards are unable to do. When the first Nvidia sponsored DirectX 12 titles are released, it's likely that these performance curves will shift the other way.

Bottom line, it's too early to gauge, and each GPU architecture has its own strengths and weaknesses that game developers may or may not exploit or expose. If you're betting on the future, Nvidia's dominant 80% market share will likely be the biggest factor in determining the outcome.
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It is true that high end AMD gpus will perform better on Fully DX12 Enabled Games. That's an important note. When will those games arrive? Will it be in 2-3 months as everyone suspects or will it be at some later point in time? However I do agree that it's best to buy an R9 390/390x right now, run all games on it and have some future reassurance. Even better, if you have a decent GPU right now, wait for next-gen, it is not that far off, maybe a few months time.
 
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As I've only been on PC for a year or so I've never had a new line of GPUs come out since I've been PC gaming, do you have any idea on the pricings of next gen GPUs or will they be similar to the current GPUs?
 
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13thmonkey

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And the performance boost that AMD is getting might be just because it is a new technology, or it might not. They DO support it fully, they are just not as fast as AMD under it, BUT we have very few examples, and they may be cherrypicked. For instance it is only Ashes of the Singularity that is officially bench marked, everything else is leaked I think, in the past this has been proven to give the wrong answers and the right answers. AMD need a win here, and I hope that they get it, but i'm on Green's side.
 
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What NVIDIA doesn't support as of yet is Asynchronous Compute, which is as part of AMD's GCN architecture and is proprietary. Some developers are developing games to use that feature since AMD is being more open about it. AMD's GPUs have the advantage of implementing it at hardware level, while all NVIDIA can do for now is somehow make asyc compute instructions work on their GPU through software patch, and in future may provide a hardware implementation of their own that would be capable of doing the work of async compute engines. That is why AMD pulls up ahead by a good margin in Ashes of Singularity DX12 benchmarks.
To be clear, neither AMD nor NVIDIA support all features of DirectX12 as of yet. That is set to change with their upcoming GPU series, which is not quite far off. According to reports, both the companies are going to launch then new GPUs this summer. So I guess you should wait a bit since the new GPU will be on 14/16 nm architecture, which will allow greater power efficiency along with the goodies new GPU lineup tends to have. Polaris seems to be promising and if it's claims holds merit, AMD could be back in the desktop GPU segment with a bang! Also since most of the next-gen games will eventually use directX12, newer GPUs will perform better and offer more support for directX12 features.
As for your other concern, the price should be nearly same, although launch prices tends to be a bit high.
Rough estimate of release: NVIDIA: may; AMD: June (As I gathered from articles at wccftech)
 
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If you're planning to upgrade to a higher tier video card you might want to change your cpu as well. That cpu would bottleneck a 980ti. But at this point I'd wait a few months, cause you're still ok with that system. I a few month lots of interesting new stuff will be released (AMD/Nvidia).
Responding to your main question. Nvidia 900 series cards can run dx12 games, but they are heavily bound by hardware limitations. That's why they don't perform to well in dx12 benchmarks. Driver softwares can't really fix that. So at this point I'd wait.
 
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Thanks for clearing that up for me! Think I'm going to hold off and wait for the new line up of GPUs even though its going to kill me waiting until may hahah

Will go through in a sec and pick a solution. Cheers
 
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Something's really off with dose graphs. A 390X fares better than a Fury, and trades blows with a Titan? Even in dx11 ?
 
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actually its said that the first round of gpu's are going to be the low end cards NOT the high end 980 ti type stuff.
 
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The first two DirectX 12 benchmarks are both AMD titles. They heavily promote the one and only advantage that AMD has in DirectX 12. The final assessment cannot be made with the current available benchmarks.

On the other side, current Nvidia cards can do the full DirectX 12_1 feature set, which AMD cards are unable to do. When the first Nvidia sponsored DirectX 12 titles are released, it's likely that these performance curves will shift the other way.

Bottom line, it's too early to gauge, and each GPU architecture has its own strengths and weaknesses that game developers may or may not exploit or expose. If you're betting on the future, Nvidia's dominant 80% market share will likely be the biggest factor in determining the outcome.
 
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