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Hey guys,

I'm buying a used PC today - well buying and trading my current PC.

I currently have an alienware X51 R2 and a PNY Geforce GTX 970. I will be giving the seller $1300CAD and my current setup- Keep in mind this is in Canadian funds.

My alienware has:

i5 4400 3.00 GHZ
8GB RAM
GTX 645
1TB HD

The build I'll be getting is:

Intel Core i7 - 4790K Processor ( Turbo 4.4 GHZ)
Motherboard - EVGA Z97 Stinger Core 3D Haswell Mini ITX
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB 240 PIN DDR3 RAM
Zotac Geforce GTX 980 ti AMP! Extreme Edition6GB
Zalman Z12 Plus Case
1TB HDD 7200R
Corsair HX 620 Modular SLI/Crossfire PSU
Wireless PCI Card ( He's throwing that in)
Windows 7 Home Edition

I plan to buy my own SDD.

All his parts are very lightly used - He is selling because he had a baby.
 
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The deal is a bit on the expensive side, IMO.

If I were in your shoes, I would buy a ATX case that supports mini ITX, a new PSU, and transfer the system out of the alienware box with the 970. That would be super cheap, a huge boost to your gaming, and make you system ready for future upgrades.

Hell, since you already have the 970, you could replace you entire system with better components than he's offering (except for the 980 ti) and still come out ahead.

Here:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($496.35 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon Canada)...
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Generally I would say you can bring the price down to like $1100-1200 but if you know the guy, if you know parts are lightly used and especially when you know he had a baby, I'd say give him the $1300. His build alone costs around $1600 cad, your old build is too old to cost more than $250-300 and the gpu is around that much as well. But yeah if you want to, sure you can get it down to 1100.
 
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Well I built the exact build on amazon and Newegg for about 2200 CAD. Keep in mind these are new parts and not including shipping and 13% HST. So if I was to buy this new it would be about $2,600 after tax and shipping.

Thanks man!
 
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It's not a great deal, imo. What he's charging is about what the price difference would be between your systems if they were both new.

The bigger issue is only the video card would be a huge upgrade for you. My humble suggestion is, if your system can fit an ATX PSU, get a good 550w unit and buy a GTX 970. This will cost you around $500 CAD and be a beefy, balanced gaming system in your current rig.
 
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My current case is very small , about the size of an xbox. I would have to buy a new PSU, MOBO and Case. If you look up the Alienware X51 you will see what I mean. That would probably be around another 300 bucks ish plus tax and shipping.

If you meant an additional GTX like the one I already have that would be another $440 bucks plus tax as well.

Do you have links to some prices?

 
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I only have a 240W PSU for my alienware. the 330 watt is 220 CAD. I could do that and I understand that its probably the least expensive option.

My questions was simply is what I'm getting a fair deal? I know that I'm spending $1300 but I want the 980 ti because it is future proof and I intend to get into some higher resolutions etc.
 
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Doesn't strike me as a bad deal, necessarily. Not "great" though, and I'd suggest you try to shave $200 off the price..............if you know the guy & trust that it's lightly used

Trying to value your current setup, maybe $400 so coupled with the $1,300 you'd be "in" your new desktop for around $1,700 if you think of it like that.

Again, this would be knowing 100% these are "almost new" components. a 980TI alone would set you back near $900CAD.

If you could talk them down to $1,000 or $1,100 plus your Alienware, you're on to a winner!

That being said, if this is just some Kijiji or Craiglist buy, I'd haggle even further or walk away. You have no way of knowing whether htese are truly "nearly new", or if it's been OC'd with ridiculous voltages etc, you could end up with a lemon that way.
 
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"future proofing" tends to be the most expensive option. Buying for what you need now and slightly in the future and upgrading as you go will give you better performance on average and be cheaper as well.

For example, I spend around $250-300 on PC upgrades each year, selling the old components as I go. About 3 1/2 years ago, one of my friends spent $2000 U.S. on a beefy gaming system with an I5 3570k & GTX 680 and a 120hz 1080p monitor. At the time I had a phenom II 955/HD 6870 system.

Now, roughly $1000 later for me, I have the same 3570k, but with a GTX 970, an acer xg270hu (1440p. 144hz, freesync...I'll probably upgrade to a regular fury or possibly a polaris card this year to take advantage of the freesync), and 16GB RAM to his 8GB.

He won't be upgrading his system for at least another year, and will probably spend at least $1500 to do so when he does.

Upgrading over time allows you to take advantage of the best deals (I got the monitor for $330 off slickdeals). I also buy ~1 year old used video cards from Asus or Gigabyte, as those companies have 3 year fully transferable warranties.
 
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Sure you make a good point.

My intension of this thread was to make sure I'm getting a fair deal. That's all really . My PC is 3-4 years old and I've been trying to sell it for $400 for 4 months with no bites. I have a GTX 970 that I paid $501 after tax. ITs the PNY Edition.

If I pay this guy $1,300 + my setup and GTX 970 realistically it will have only cost me $1,800 net . Like people have said the GTX 980 Ti amp edition is currently listed for $969 CAD new. The card I'm getting has less than 10 hours of use.


I
 
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The deal is a bit on the expensive side, IMO.

If I were in your shoes, I would buy a ATX case that supports mini ITX, a new PSU, and transfer the system out of the alienware box with the 970. That would be super cheap, a huge boost to your gaming, and make you system ready for future upgrades.

Hell, since you already have the 970, you could replace you entire system with better components than he's offering (except for the 980 ti) and still come out ahead.

Here:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($496.35 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($170.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($83.88 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Fractal Design Core 2500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($138.98 @ NCIX)

Total: $985.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-18 14:16 EDT-0400

*I recommend buying the i5-6600k instead of the I7, however. That'll drop the price to just over $800 CAD

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Cheers!
 
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A fair deal & a good deal are a bit different. I would say at the $1,300 + your Alienware, it's a fair deal (especially to a friend, who you trust that they haven't run this system into the ground!). A couple of hundred less would make it a good deal again, assuming you know the guy etc.

$969CAD is a bit high to compare the card against, you can have it for $905 or $890 with a rebate
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt9050310p

Negligible overall of course, just clarifying. In the used/secondhand market, you couldn't expect to value the "used" card anywhere close to $900 but from a friend you trust, who hasn't stressed the card ridiculously & has only spent a few hours using it, you could consider the value closer.
 
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Ok, that changes things a bit.........if that's what the OP meant?

A good 970 is around $400CAD at the moment new and if you're giving your friend the benefit of viewing the 980ti at near full-retail value, you should get the same courtesy from them.

Your GPU and CPU are the only components with any real value, but I would say combined they should be worth around $550-600.

Considering I suggested valuing your rig around $400 and talking your friend down to around $1,100 ideally (so a $1,500 investment if you look at it that way) you should be looking more at $900-$1,000 if you're including the 970........even that might be a little generous.

Obviously, it's your money so do what you want with it, but the more we hear about this, the less it sounds like a "fair" deal............certainly far from "good" at this point.
 
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Only you can decide if it makes sense. A deal between friends is always a little bit different. General opinion would be is you're overpaying by a couple of hundred (as an estimate, all things considered) but to a friend, maybe you're find with that.

Ultimately, you come out further ahead than trying to sell the rig you have (you said you were struggling at $400?) and buying new ($2,000+).

Out of curiosity, where about in Canada are you? And just confirm, you were struggling to sell the Alienware + the GTX 970 for $400?
 
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So I ended up just buying the case and PSU off of him for $200 and transferred all of my parts last night . Just need to pick up a new sata for my HDD and we are all set . I could have ordered new but the case and psu literally look brand new and with shipping the cases no matter what you get are around 100 and the PSU I got is a 620W full modular so it leaves me some room incase I want to upgrade the MOBO later on and maybe add another 970. I think I made out all right.

I'm so happy I didn't blow all that cash and took the cheaper route .
 
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