PC Build for pro photographer in 500-800$ range.

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PC Build for pro photographer in 500-800$ range. I am using mainly Lightroom and Photoshop my file sizes reach sometimes up to 300 MB. My catalogue sits on an external hdd so that i can swop it between laptop and desktop, maybe this is my bottleneck?! At the moment i have a Quadcore q9650 machine with 8GB RAM and NVIDIA Geforce 650 card. With my current system if i have many files open it crashes sometimes and switching between modules in lightroom is quite luggish, also i can´t use the sliders and brushes without initial delays. Also rendering times for new thump previews are slow.
Please advise my a decent futureproof machine!!
 
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If you want to skip a graphics card then sure, you can do that. If your monitors support Displayport MST (like the Dell Ultrasharp U2415) you can even run them off just the one displayport. Just remember to clean up drivers before installing the new card if and when you get it.

calpissoda

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basroil thanks for your quick reply!
I have already win10, so i can shave that one off. Would i gain something with the i5 6600 CPU? I also work sometimes with InDesign and illustrator, do you think a graphics card is unnecessary with the skylake cpu? The limiting factor of my external drive, is it the spinning speed or the interface? I am traveling a lot and shooting a lot on location, having the catalog on an external drive is really conveniant. I thought of an case with easy accesibble drive bays and some sort of usb 3.1 enclosure in which i can place a 3TB 2.5" drive to swop between pc and laptop.
 


1) Win10 is only valid if you have a retail copy that is not used in any other machine. If you have a laptop or desktop purchased from most companies (not custom), there is nearly 0% chance you can use it.
2) Neither of those two are particularly GPU heavy, the internal GPU of Skylake is more than enough (comparable to a Geforce 730 or AMD 240/250)
3) It's both the spinning disk and interface. Just don't do it. If you really want swapping, get an ESATA compatible 3.5" drive or hotswap SATA bay in the 5.25" bay (I personally used that method for a long time)
 

calpissoda

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Thanks again for your reply!
I sometimes work in disaster areas without access to electricity, so as much as i would like the 3.5" drive solution is not viable. Because i have to edit quite often on transport i carry always around 1.5TB of images with me. I will try to put the catalog on my systems SSD to see if that is going to speed me up, but the images have to stay on the external drive. Will there be a difference in speed between an external drive on usb 2.0 compared to the same drive on usb 3.0?
 


Yes and no, maximum transfer speed increases but IOPS (where catalog fails) does not. A better idea is to just copy the catalog to your disk first and then copy back to the disk afterwards.
 

calpissoda

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Yes and no, maximum transfer speed increases but IOPS (where catalog fails) does not. A better idea is to just copy the catalog to your disk first and then copy back to the disk afterwards. [/quotemsg]

O.K. i did that and Lightroom seems to be a bit snappier, thanks for the advice!!
One other thing i forgot about is that i am running a two monitor setup with my pc. In that case would you recommend looking for a motherboard with two ports or a gpu? Which gpu or motherboard would you recommend?
This is are the parts i chose please let me know what do you think, there are so many details i have no idea of. I thought if prices for SSD storage are coming further down and drive capacities increasing i can get a external SSD and use that via USB 3.1.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dp2d4D
 
this xeon build is exactly what youre looking for ,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1241 V3 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($263.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.39 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $797.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-26 10:14 EDT-0400
 
Not to get off topic, but do you have your 1.5 TB catalog of images backed up somewhere? Since you travel a lot, that external HDD could easily get damaged. As said above, move the files over to your computer's SSD or HDD when you are editing, then archive them back to the external for storage.

The build suggested by superninja looks pretty good to me, although you may want to go with a 500GB SSD. The prices are coming down.
 

calpissoda

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Really thank you so much for your help,
i thought i have to spend mor than 1200 $ to get a decent machine.
 


calpissoda,

Given the demands and cost of the software, the file size, and the probable cost of the imaging equipment, in my view a $500-800 budget for the computer hardware is disproportionately low for professional use.

The only realistic alternative that can provide the capabilites for that cost would be to buy a used workstation:

HP Z420 Workstation Xeon Quad Core E5-1620 3.6GHz 8GB RAM 500GB NVIDIA Win 7 Pro > sold for $499 or offer

Then add to above:

1. Samsung 850 Evo 250 GB > $87
2. +8GB RAM > about $60
3. Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive > $72
4. Used GTX 970 > about $150
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TOTAL = about $870

This is about the minimal system I'd recommend for your use -that wouldn't need a replacement or substantial upgrade quite soon. The cost could be improved by using a GTX 960 or even a GTX 750 TI if there is no 3D use, by patient shopping for the z420, or if a $500 or offer could be bought for say $450. The good feature of LGA2011- besides 40 PCIe lanes inatead of 28 and double the memory bandwidth of LGa 1150, is that the CPU can be changed for a 12-core instead of a 4-core limitation. I'm planning in the Summer to change the E5-1620 in my older z420 to an E5-2690 8-core @ 2.9 /3.8GHz (About $350-$400), add a Quadro K2200 and Tesla M2090. this might be a future consideration for your use as some of Adobe CS /CC does not recognize multiple CPU's or GPU's and anyway proceesor rendering effiiciency drops after about 6 -8 cores anyway.

As to GPU's, a Quadro has a lot of advantages in imaging work including x64 antialiaigina, 10 bit color and etc.
I have two HP z420's including an E5-1620 one and both have been perfectly reliable over two years and demanding 3D CAD and graphic design work. I was working with a 380MB photo only yesterday. These are also by far the quietest computers I've ever had.

The Xeon E5-1620 is 4-core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz and has really excellent single-threaded performance. On Passmark, the Q9650 has a single=threaded rating of 1271 and an average CPU score of 4279. The Q9650 has a single-threaded rating of 1929 and an average CPU score of 9100.

On Passmark, there are three z420 / E5-1620 / GTX 970 systems, the best of which is:

Rating: 4638
CPU: 9264
2D: 728
3D: 8726
Mem: 2465 (32GB)
Disk: 4186 (sandisk SDSSDHIII)

The top rated system using a Q9650 (not overclocked):

Rating: 2523
CPU: 4657 (6203 -overclocked to 4.1GHz!)
2D: 495 (GTX 660)
3D: 3918 (7831 with GTX 970)
Mem: 1115 (8GB)
Disk: 2714 (OCZ Vertex 4)

The difference in the perfomrnace of the GTX 970 reflects the differnce in CPU's. the real limitation in your use has probably been effects processing 300MB files as the memory badnwidth and memory clock speed and quantitty will bottleneck the processing.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

Modeling:

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) > 32GB DDR3 1866 ECC RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

Rendering:

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) (Revised) > 2X Xeon X5680 (6 -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 48GB DDR3 1333 ECC Reg. > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Logitech z313 > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (27", 1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3550 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)







 

calpissoda

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Yes all the files are backed up, my laptop has a 250 GB SSD and the second 2.5" drive is only 1TB so i can just back up my current projects.
 


That used to be the case a decade ago, not so anymore, especially if you know what you want


I'm sure you'll love that system, it's not much different than mine, and it absolutely destroys LR6 (though I think I have a bit more than you, ~100k photos remaining in a 1.5GB catalog and ~400gb of video)
 
at the $800 scale you could have this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($196.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team Ultra L5 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Mushkin ECO2 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Pipeline HD 2TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.90 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill SRM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $799.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-26 11:58 EDT-0400

the 512 GB SSD is your boot disk, the 2 TB drive holds your completed projects , and the 120 GB SSD is exclusively your swap space. the 960 gives you some CUDA cores and gaming setups.
 

calpissoda

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Hi Superninja thank you for the reply,
is there any advantage using a XEON CPU instead of Skylake? The XEON is nearly the same price than the i7 6700 i would prefer to rather go with the newer socket and memory in case i want to upgrade in the future.
 

calpissoda

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Hi basroil,
one more question. I am still uncertain if i should stretch my budget and go with the i7 6700, or do you think it is overkill?
My catalog is more than 20GB the 1.5TB of images are just recent projects.
 

calpissoda

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Really thanks for your advise!
I already have three 2TB and two 3TB and one 4TB as mass storage and backup solutions. My sytem is on a 500GB SSD i would move them to my new build. So you would put the catalog on the 120GB SSD and swap it between the computers?

 


In that case, yea go for the 6700, LR6 finally does multithread batches correctly so exports will be faster.



Don't spout nonsense! That chip is equivalent to the Haswell 4770, not the 6700. The 6700 has a base clock speed 14% faster and an additional ~5% IPC, meaning it's ~20% faster
 

calpissoda

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Thanks again!!
I have seen that the Asus Z170 Pro Gaming has an Displayport and a DVI-D port, would it make sense to get the i7 6700 and run the two monitors from the motherboard? In this case i can add the graphics card later when needed and be in budget for now.
 


If you want to skip a graphics card then sure, you can do that. If your monitors support Displayport MST (like the Dell Ultrasharp U2415) you can even run them off just the one displayport. Just remember to clean up drivers before installing the new card if and when you get it.
 
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no, the extra SSD would be used as a scratch drive or cache drive for Photoshop, so that everything runs off the very fast SSD, without trashing the lifespan of your boot drive.
 


Usually no need. Even massive use won't be more than 5-10TB/yr so even for a relatively small (256gb) disk you'll have >20 years continuous use before hitting the endurance limit