Can't choose CPU (Socket LGA 1150/1156)

darklightbg · Mar 31, 2016

I'm looking to build a cheap PC to be able to play Counter-Strike:Global Offensive and some other games at playable framerate (45-60+). I have planned to build a pc with 4-8 GBs of ddr3 RAM, Nvidia GT 730 and a cheap gigabyte mobo that will support the DDR3 ram, PCI-E and a LGA1150 cpu.Here comes the problem.. I need a suggestion about choosing my cpu.. All the processors I have seen for 1150 are cheap Celerons and pentiums and prices go up to the sky from Intel core i3 and above.. I cannot afford such processor but I am also afraid not to do an awful mistake -buying a Celeron or a Pentium because these two words are very painful (Celeron and Pentium user from a long time).Is there any Celeron or Pentium (1150 socket) that is not crap? Or should I look for another build with diffirent socket like 1156 or 775 so I can find a cheap processor that will be useful for casual gaming? Thanks in advance.

Mr Kagouris · Mar 31, 2016

What is your budget and what country do you live in (or what shop do you plan to buy from)?

darklightbg · Mar 31, 2016

Mr Kagouris :

Thanks for the quick response!
I live in Bulgaria and I have to fit under 700levs ~ 350 euro ( 1 euro=2 levs)
Most likely I will order from a Bulgarian website.

P.S. I have edited in some addidional info in the first post.

Rogue Leader · Mar 31, 2016

The problem with 1156 and 775 is they are dead technology. You're likely buying used parts, or older parts. While 1150 isn't new either its still available and very common. There are still processors coming out for it. I would rather have the newer one with room to upgrade.

tical2399 · Mar 31, 2016

Rogue Leader :

1150 is also dead tech. He can only go haswell or broadwell. If he goes haswell then the only upgrade would be the refresh or broadwell, neither are worth it. If you're limited to broadwell at max on 1150 then get broadwell because buying a haswell chip now and then wanting to upgrade to a broadwell chip is kinda dumb.

Now of course the 1150 chips will be stronger than 1156 or 775, but he has just as small of an upgrade path with those as he has with 1150

Mr Kagouris · Mar 31, 2016

For your low budget and use case I'd actually say look into the FM2+ APUs from AMD. They are good for such use cases (since you get a decent CPU and low end but decent GPU in one package). You could get an A8-7670K, and if you need more GPU power throw in an R7 250 later. If you want more CPU power after that, you can either just overclock it or replace it with an A10-7870k. You also wouldn't really need a discrete GPU for games such as CS:GO if you got an A8-7670K. Just keep in mind that it's best to get 2133MHz RAM for these APUs.

Rogue Leader · Mar 31, 2016

tical2399 :

I don't agree. 1150 Boards and processors are still in production. Newegg has 281 different LGA 1150 boards vs 36 1155 boards and 6 775 boards. The original purchase path is easier, there are still CPUs being produced so they will be available for longer should he want to upgrade in a year or two. No its not 2011v3 or 1151, but its still current.

tical2399 · Mar 31, 2016

Rogue Leader :

I'm not concerned with their newness. You argument was upgrade path. Of course i'd buy new parts over used ones. Your point was that if he bought 1156 or 775 he'd have no upgrade path. I state that if he buys 1150 he ALSO has no upgrade path.

With 1150 you can only buy haswell, the refresh or broadwell. No other chips are going to be made for that socket.If he buys haswell, he has nowhere to go but broadwell (one cycle) , if he buys broadwell he has nowhere to go period. If hr buys a haswell now and wants an upgrade he will buy a broadwell and get very little increase, what kinda upgrade path is that?

Rogue Leader · Mar 31, 2016

tical2399 :

I think you aren't getting what I mean by upgrade path. It will be hard for him to get anything for 775 and 1156, whatever he gets if he wants something faster, a year from now it will be hard to get. If he buys a Celeron 1150 chip now, he can go and get an i5 or i7 in a year or two easy, that will blow away whatever he might have from 1156 or 775.

The LGA1150 Pentium G3258 is hot as an overclockers chip right now and should do what he wants very well. In a year or two, hopefully prices will go down a bit on other LGA 1150 chips and he an upgrade to an i5 or i7, something newer and faster than a leftover 775 or 1156 processor.

Thats an upgrade path.

tical2399 · Mar 31, 2016

Rogue Leader :

tical2399 :

I think you aren't getting what I mean by upgrade path. It will be hard for him to get anything for 775 and 1156, whatever he gets if he wants something faster, a year from now it will be hard to get. If he buys a Celeron 1150 chip now, he can go and get an i5 or i7 in a year or two easy, that will blow away whatever he might have from 1156 or 775.

The LGA1150 Pentium G3258 is hot as an overclockers chip right now and should do what he wants very well. In a year or two, hopefully prices will go down a bit on other LGA 1150 chips and he an upgrade to an i5 or i7, something newer and faster than a leftover 775 or 1156 processor.

Thats an upgrade path.

That's a dumb upgrade path if you're that determined to be on lga 1150 which a new chip will never be made for, then you should be getting the best chip that goes in there and call it a day. This upgrade path is just as stupid as "future proof" If you're buying 1150 you need to be buying a 5775c and calling it a day until whatever is after cannon lake.

Rogue Leader · Mar 31, 2016

tical2399 :

Are you high? Did you not read that this guy has a limited budget? He wants to get something now that he can use for his needs now that he can afford. Why in the world would you not buy something that works for you now, AND you have the option of upgrading the processor later to go faster.

In a couple years he can buy another LGA 1150 processor to go faster, no it won't be the hottest new cannon lake processor, but not everybody needs that, and in 2 or 3 years a higher end LGA 1150 i7 will still be viable for gaming, and at that point he may still even be able to get one new.

LGA 1150 stuff is STILL being produced. LGA1156 and 775 is dead, they don't produce it anymore and you can't buy a new processor for it. No its not the newest, but you are using processor architectures as if this guy is buying the fastest one he can get. Not everyone buys or needs that.

tical2399 · Mar 31, 2016

Rogue Leader :

tical2399 :

Are you high? Did you not read that this guy has a limited budget? He wants to get something now that he can use for his needs now that he can afford. Why in the world would you not buy something that works for you now, AND you have the option of upgrading the processor later to go faster.

In a couple years he can buy another LGA 1150 processor to go faster, no it won't be the hottest new cannon lake processor, but not everybody needs that, and in 2 or 3 years a higher end LGA 1150 i7 will still be viable for gaming, and at that point he may still even be able to get one new.

LGA 1150 stuff is STILL being produced. LGA1156 and 775 is dead, they don't produce it anymore and you can't buy a new processor for it. No its not the newest, but you are using processor architectures as if this guy is buying the fastest one he can get. Not everyone buys or needs that.

So why is nobody suggesting and 1151 celeron or pentium that has an ACTUAL upgrade path????

Mr Kagouris · Mar 31, 2016

G-guys? FM2+?

Rogue Leader · Mar 31, 2016

tical2399 :

Rogue Leader :

So why is nobody suggesting and 1151 celeron or pentium that has an ACTUAL upgrade path????

Because he is in Bulgaria, has a very small budget, he is asking about 1150 which there are cheaper options available and the cheapest Pentium 1151 processor costs more than the fastest Pentium 1150 chip.

tical2399 · Mar 31, 2016

Mr Kagouris :

For the things he's planning to do, this is a good option.

Mr Kagouris · Mar 31, 2016

tical2399 :

That's what I was thinking. An A8-7670K would be a good entry CPU there as it can easily run games like CS:GO on the iGPU and he can upgrade to an A10-7870k + R7 250X if he wants to run triple-A games at some point.

darklightbg · Apr 2, 2016

Picked the solution.I am usually an Intel+nVidia guy and not very educated in amd's stuff but might give it a try.
Thanks everyone for the detailed suggestions!

Mr Kagouris · Apr 2, 2016

Here's a benchmark between the Pentium G3258 with a GT 730 versus an A8-7670k. Not only does it actually perform better, but you get more free space in the PC and upgrading is as easy as adding an R7 200-series graphics card and setting it up in dual graphics with the APU (for the A8-7670k a good matching card is the R7 250). Just make sure you get 8GB of 2133MHz DDR3 as lower speeds will actually result in lower performance.

darklightbg · Apr 2, 2016

Mr Kagouris :

I did a research on the prices of the hardware you suggested me and came up with a final decision-
I will get the following
- AMD A8-series X4 7650K ( 3.3Ghz,4Mb,95W ),FM2+ sock (A8-7670k was not available)
- Kingston HyperX Savage 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 PC3-17000 2133MHz CL11 HX321C11SRK2/8
- ASRock FM2A58М VG3+R2.0 Motherboard
How does that combo sound to you?

As you suggested I won't get a discrete Video card since the processor comes with embedded R7 200 (or something like that)
I can get 2x4GB ram 2400mhz but I'm not sure its better than the 2133 one because its cheaper by a few bucks, also not sure if its compatible with my mobo.
p.s.-sorry for my English if its bad

Mr Kagouris · Apr 2, 2016

My recommendation is to get a 1x8GB 2400MHz stick, and also a different motherboard as that one only supports up to 1866MHz RAM.

darklightbg · Apr 2, 2016

oh... haven't noticed that awkward mistake

darklightbg · Apr 2, 2016

I guess you suggest me 1x8GB so I can upgrade easily by simply throwing in another stick. I can't find single stick 8gb that is 2400 MHz and I will just get the 2x4gb 2133MHz .
And about the motherboard- found a Gigabyte F2A68HM-DS2 that fully supports 2133 MHz and 2400 by overclocking(I don't wanna do that).
edit: Is an SSD (Kingston HyperX 120GB 6GB/s SATA3) necessary for playable framerate or I can do it with a HDD.
Also, this is what GameDebate says about the integrated GPU:

"The GPU Shares the System's RAM which varies with each system. Typically, the GPU reserves 1GB. Depending on whether or not the system's RAM is Dual-Channeled, it can access either a 64-bit or 128-bit memory interface."
It looks like its actually better to run dual channel memory as I was planning.

Mr Kagouris · Apr 2, 2016

No, you don't need an SSD, however it's a nice thing to have because it makes the OS more responsive and games load faster.

As for the new motherboard's RAM speed support, by "overclocking" they really just mean "turn on XMP".

darklightbg · Apr 2, 2016

Mr Kagouris :

Okay, thanks for all the information now I have come up with final decision for my build and Its actually a lot more powerful and cheaper than what I was thinking about previously (the intel+nvidia ).
AMD A8 X4 7650K
8gigs 2400 DDR3 RAM
Gigabyte F2A68HM-DS2 Motherboard
500W Power supply
(I have a case)

I fell in love with AMD. Thanks for all the help and sorry if I was annoying with all these questions.

Mr Kagouris · Apr 2, 2016

What PSU are you looking at? Because getting good setup with a crap PSU isn't a good idea.

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