Running FX-9590 with MSI 970A-G45

Patrick_60 · Apr 10, 2016

Hi everyone!

I just received the FX-9590 8-CORE AMD CPU. I am afraid I did not think further than socket compatibility when upgrading from a FX-4100.

The desktop is used to run Solidworks 3D simulations. One run could take 40 hours with the older processor which accounts for a lot of loss of productivity.

We are using a Msi 970A-G45 mobo with the stock Fx-4100 HSF.

I read online that my setup is not adequate to run the cpu.

We obviously need that kind of power, but what could be the solution here.

1. Upgrade to high end HSF.
2. Upgrade Motherboard.
3. Return the damn thing.

Thanks for any advice and suggestions.

Patrick

junkeymonkey · Apr 10, 2016

buy one of the few motherboard that are truly ''built'' to handle a 220w chip ?? that's all there is to it

or maybe end up like this guy ??

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3027705/9590-freezing-overclock-stable-voltage.html

your call .....

COLGeek · Apr 10, 2016

junkeymonkey :

Agreed. Do not use the new CPU in your unsupported motherboard.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/970AG45.html#support-cpu

Get a proper motherboard or you risk damaging your system.

Patrick_60 · Apr 10, 2016

Yeah, right after the post I found online that the board maxed @ 140W TDP. So I'll try to find an efficient mobo upgrade solution.

Thanks

Any board with the compatible 220w TDP should work or should i be checking other specifications?

Thanks for your help.

junkeymonkey · Apr 10, 2016

to be honest them 220w chips are nothing but novelty and a headache easy to see that just here at toms from guys who got them and may wish the did not in the end

on that 970 board I bet a 95w chip like that 8300 ''e '' or what is it ? the 8320E 95w ? look over at newegg and read the reviews on them seem guys whop got them like them if there listed in your boards supported cpu list [opinion]

just because a chip has 220w's don't or may not have anything to do with its processing power

COLGeek · Apr 10, 2016

You need something with a 990fx chipset, like this one from Asus:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131877

Newegg has several models available:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625%208000%20600138080%20600166242&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True

COLGeek · Apr 10, 2016

junkeymonkey :

This is actually better advice, overall. The FX-9XXX series CPUs are really just OCed 8XXX series CPUs. Their performance gains are minimal and they generate tons of heat and require more power. They don't represent AMD's best effort and I would not recommend their use, unless free.

Geekwad · Apr 10, 2016

For that particular chip, this is the only mobo I could really 'recommend':

https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/overview/

With the board you have, I'd just return it and go for a 8320 or 8350.

junkeymonkey · Apr 10, 2016

well asus lies there board are not 220w board s proved that in the link above and plenty outher

that sabertooth r2 is a 140w speced board if you know and look outside of asus on that asus lies and sadly misrepresents this ... lots of sabertooth owners have a lot of issues with the 220w chips on them

[example]

Supports CPU up to 140 W

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_sabertooth990fx_r2_review/5.htm

just cant trust them and that's how I caught them ''changing '' things to suit there sales need not your support or benefit [ I had 3 sabertooths 990fx]

only 2 off hand I can think of that were built or revised with upgraded parts for 220w use are the giga 990fx ud3 rev 4 or higher and the asrock 990fx extremem 9

the exe 9 was made with 220w use in mind from the start

''tested and based on 9590fx requirments ''
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme9/

[disclaimer,, not to say asrock is the greatest or the best]

COLGeek · Apr 10, 2016

junkeymonkey :

Current specs can be found here:

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/specifications/

Still, it doesn't change the fact that the FX-9XXX series CPU is a pain as previously mentioned. I would never recommend the use of one unless it was free. Heck, even AMD-sponsored gamers on twitch don't use them. Rather, they tend to use FX-8350e or FX-8370e based rigs.

Dark Lord of Tech · Apr 10, 2016

Your choices for the 9000 series:

Asrock 970 Performance
ASRock 990FX Extreme9
ASRock 990FX Extreme6
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z
Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0
Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0\5.0
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7
MSI 990FXA-GD80V2

AMD.COM

Warning: This power draw of this CPU is almost twice that of the average CPU. Due to this, AMD recommends using at minimum a 850W to 1000W power supply. For cooling, AMD recommends using either either closed loop liquid cooling , h100i minimum or full system liquid cooling.

bignastyid · Apr 10, 2016

I'd return it. For what a 9590, adequate cooler and motherboard costs you could get a Xeon that will do just as well in 8 threaded apps and better in apps using 4 or less as it has much better single threaded performance, plus it uses alot less power and produces alot less heat.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($219.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H115i 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $459.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-10 12:26 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus B85M-G R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.13 @ NCIX US)
Total: $324.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-10 12:26 EDT-0400
No need for an aftermarket heatsink, I just dropped in it since its not expensive and better than the stock cooler.

junkeymonkey · Apr 10, 2016

I got to admit - as a long time AMD fanboy it was AM3+ that drove me over to intel for my first time in 16 years , and cant say it was the wrong move in any way....

junkeymonkey · Apr 11, 2016

black bird you recommend 140w board above ??? I feel you gave bad info

Supports CPU up to 140 W

https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/specifications/

Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 [the real berfore asus lied and changed specs with oput any on the board revisions just a quick bios change ??]

Supports CPU up to 140 W

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_sabertooth990fx_r2_review/5.htm

you can trust asus in any way these days

huvik · Apr 11, 2016

junkeymonkey :

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/specifications/

On the canadian site it says the crosshair v formula z supports up to 220W

bignastyid · Apr 11, 2016

Asus's website shows the 9590 in the list of supported cpus.
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/HelpDesk_CPU/

junkeymonkey · Apr 11, 2016

as said another hype lie and misrepresentation of there products -- its now there norm... cant trust anything from them
been there done that learned the hard way as this guy is and why its all working out for him ..[not to say the 220w chips work out for anybody anyway]

good luck

COLGeek · Apr 11, 2016

Sources have been attacked and the dead horse has been beaten to a pulp and is no longer contributing to the OP's need. Time to drop this portion of the discussion. Fair enough?

junkeymonkey · Apr 11, 2016

his needs are to look at board made for the 220w chips not just a quick bios update and claim they now do ...

like the giga 990fx ud3 rev 4 was ''redesigned '' for 220w use asrock extreme 6 and the exteeme 9 as well , but still look at all the threads just here at toms on guys using the 220w chips and not getting good stable use no matter what board they use its a novelty chip and like said form here

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8316/amds-5-ghz-turbo-cpu-in-retail-the-fx9590-and-asrock-990fx-extreme9-review

you got to clue in on the little things in the article surrounding the 220w chip

like to op said about the '' 1. Upgrade to high end HSF.''

''CPUs were anything to go by, a user needs a fair bit of luck. The FX-9590 guarantees a 5.0 GHz turbo with a warranty.

With the retail release of the CPU, that warranty might be based on using the water cooling provided for the lifetime of the CPU.''

http://www.overclock.net/t/1519653/new-asrock-990fx-extreme6-support-for-220w-supported-3way-crossfirex

now with that 970 board he got and wants a nice bump up what not go with a 95w chip like the fx8300 or one of the ''E'' chips like the 8320E ? that's the cheap safe bet

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113399

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP3SP1224

in the end all he can do is what he feels is right for him

the sad fact is if spending all that money over a dated now near what? 6+ year old platform? AM3+ build you would be money better spent on a nice haswell build that works and smokes am3+ sorely that's now where beating a dead horse comes in to play

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