Simple fan replacement for Antec P180?

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Hi, haven't replaced a fan before, but the top fan on my P180 (the stock Tricool I assume; got the case off a friend years ago) starts buzzing when it's at anything other than high speed. I'd prefer it set to low, since I am not OC'ing and don't really need the extra cooling, and my wife is going bonkers since we share an office.

My questions are:

1) Is it an easy task to swap out the top fan without removing other components (although I am replacing the GPU soon anway). It also has a switch extension to the outside I'd like to be able to use (from other posts, I think the switch from the fan might just pop in there, but I'd like confirmation).

2) Is there a decent (quiet) 120mm fan for under $20 that you could recommend that would no present installation difficulties (or preclude me from using the fan adjustment settings on the back of the box)? (Getting specific, ideally something with a not-too-bright LED, white or blue preferably).

3) I've been looking at something like this AeroCool Shark. Would that be a good option?

I have a GA-P55A-UD3 if that matters.

Thanks!
 
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I like Noctua fans, but there are many other good ones. For starters, the 3-pin Antec TriCool 120 mm fan has these specs from their website:
Hi speed 2000 rpm moves 79 CFM generating noise at 30dBA
Med speed 1600 rpm moves 56 CFM generating noise at 28dBA
Low speed 1200 rpm moves 39 CFM generating noise at 25dBA

The Noctua model NF-S12A PWM 4-pin fan specs say
Full speed 1200 rpm moves 63 CFM generating noise at 18 dBA
At 900 rpm it moves 49 CFM generating noise at 11 dBA
So its max speed of 1200 rpm pushes nearly as much air as your TriCool at Med speed, but is much quieter by 10 dBA. It sells for US$20 at one well-known on-line retailer. I chose this model because it is 120 mm size, very quiet with noise-dampening corner pads, and...

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This should not be hard to do, but there are some "wrinkles". In terms of size, this is a common "120 mm fan" size, the same as many case vent fans, so spacing of the mounting holes should be standard. To get at them, though, I see from the manual that the top fan has a "spoiler" which looks like a low plastic diversion hood over its top opening. I guess it directs air to the back. It has simple tabs that fit into slots in the case top. You should be able to slide it towards the back and then lift it out of the slots. Then the mounting screws should be accessible.

Now, those little 3-position speed switches on those Tri-Cool fans are NOT "standard" and cannot be used with other fans. They are just switches on the ends of cords. The actual resistor components are on a board inside the fan motor case, and other fans do not have these. So you cannot adapt those switches to other fans. If you want to keep that feature, you will have to buy a new Antec Tri-Cool fan.

If you buy a different fan, FIRST you need to decide what type to buy. Your motherboard has two SYS_FAN ports on it located on either side of the bottom ends of the RAM module slots; one is 3-pin, the other is 4-pin. A 4-pin fan can fit onto either of these ports, and CAN be controlled automatically by the mobo's systems. That is, the SYS_FAN port can change the fan's speed according to how hot the interior of your case is, slowing it down when it does not need to provide lots of cooling. On the other hand, a 3-pin fan (usually a little cheaper) can ONLY be controlled by the 3-pin SYS_FAN port. So, look at those ports and determine which (maybe both) is unused and available. Buy the fan type that matches your available port.

When you have installed the new fan physically at the top, plug it into the port you planned. When you first start up, boot directly into BIOS Setup by holding down the keyboard "Del" key until the Setup opening screen shows. Choose PC Health Status to get to where you can configure the fan port. See your manual, p. 56. Ensure the SYSTEM FAN you're using is set to Enabled and set to Automatic. If you had to change any setting, remember to SAVE and EXIT.

Set up this way, you should find that your new fan at the very first start-up will come on at full speed for a couple of seconds, then slow down. Later as the system warms up you may notice it speed up a bit.
 

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Got it. Sadly the hood never made it into my possession..

Right, of course. I think I realized that and was initially going to just get an Antec. Would another inexpensive option give me a considerably higher CFM/dBA ratio? (Suggestions?)

Currently all fans are going straight from PSU via molex. If I got a new one, you are saying if I get a 4-pin I can connect it to SYS_FAN3 and get it controlled the same way the cpu fan is controlled, right? And if I get a 3-pin, I can't use fan-control from the mobo. I also read a post on here about daisy-chaining from the CPU_FAN header. Is that any better/worse?

I also noted in the manual (pg 23) it has Pin 4 marked Reserve instead of Speed Control (like Pin 4 on the CPU_FAN header). That sounds like it would need to use the Voltage setting (is that what will get picked in the BIOS if I'm set to Auto?) Is there any discrepancy here between my CPU_FAN and something on SYS_FAN3?

Thanks!

 

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BTW my stock fans are rated thusly:

High 2000 RPM | 79 CFM | 0.10 inch-H2O | 30 dBA
Med 1600 RPM | 56 CFM | 0.06 inch-H2O | 28 dBA
Low 1200 RPM | 39 CFM | 0.04 inch-H2O | 25 dBA
 

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I'm slightly confused. The manual I found on-line may be for an older version, but it only has two SYS_FAN mobo ports. You speak of SYS_FAN3.

IF your mobo has a 4-pin SYS_FAN port, then it can control the speed of any 4-pin fan. BUT a 3-pin fan can only be controlled by a fan port operating in true 3-pin fan mode, better called Voltage Control Mode. So you're better off choosing a 4-pin fan design. Yes, it can be controlled automatically by the mobo SYS_FAN port (assuming the port configuration is set to its default "Automatic" mode), VERY much like the way the CPU cooler is controlled. The slight difference is this: CPU cooling is based on a temperature sensor built into the CPU chip itself, whereas the SYS_FAN ports for case ventilation fans are based on a different sensor, one built into the mobo by its maker. This is the optimum way to control a case vent fan.

I see what you mean about the pinout labels on manual p. 23. Unfortunately I have found many manuals have incomplete and confusing information, sometimes even outright wrong! But here's the thing that can save you. The newer 4-pin fans are designed with a backwards compatibility feature. If they are plugged into a true 3-pin fan port (or even into a "fake" 4-pin port) that is operating in Voltage Control Mode, they still will work under mobo speed control. If they just don't receive a PWM signal from Pin #4, they operate on the varying voltage supplied on Pin #2 just as a 3-pin fan would.

For future reference in case you want to replace another of those case fans, a good guideline is that you CAN connect up to two "normal" fans (but not more) to one SYS_FAN port by using a Y-splitter that converts the port into two output connectors. The splitter is constructed so that the speed of only one of those two fans will be measured by the mobo port, and the speed of the other is ignored entirely, but that's no problem. For systems using only 4-pin fans on a true 4-pin port in PWM Mode, there are other ways to connect even more fans to a single port under control, but you don't appear to need that.
 

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I think I probably typoed that or misread something somewhere. Let's go with SYS_FAN2.

OK, I think I understand the connections. So the question that I have left is what fan to get. Is there an <$20 option that would be a marked improvement in volume from the Tricool, or am I better off just getting a Tricool (which would let me simply leave it on Low if I for some reason (that reason = my wife) I wanted to keep it at Low always?

Is there another fan that should be easy to install in my P180 and be noticeably quieter than a Tricool?

 

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I like Noctua fans, but there are many other good ones. For starters, the 3-pin Antec TriCool 120 mm fan has these specs from their website:
Hi speed 2000 rpm moves 79 CFM generating noise at 30dBA
Med speed 1600 rpm moves 56 CFM generating noise at 28dBA
Low speed 1200 rpm moves 39 CFM generating noise at 25dBA

The Noctua model NF-S12A PWM 4-pin fan specs say
Full speed 1200 rpm moves 63 CFM generating noise at 18 dBA
At 900 rpm it moves 49 CFM generating noise at 11 dBA
So its max speed of 1200 rpm pushes nearly as much air as your TriCool at Med speed, but is much quieter by 10 dBA. It sells for US$20 at one well-known on-line retailer. I chose this model because it is 120 mm size, very quiet with noise-dampening corner pads, and designed for higher air flow in locations with low resistance to air flow, such as case ventilation. Note that Noctua fans come with a warranty of 6 years, and many users have said they do last a long time.

The Cougar CF-V12HPB 4-pin 120mm fan specs say
Max speed 1500 rpm pushing 70 CFM generating noise at 18 dBA - more air flow than the Noctua above
Warranty is 1 year, although maker rates its bearing lifetime as 300,000 hours. It sells for $15, less than Noctua. I found few user comments on actual lifetime.

There are lots of others, so I'll let you look.

SOME fans come with "low-noise adapters" that really are just little resistor modules you can insert into the fan connection to slow it down. I recommend you do NOT use these when controlling them by a mobo automatic control port - using that only limits the fan's max speed and cooling. It does NOT make it quieter because normally the automatic control will make the fan run at whatever speed is required for the cooling needed.
 
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