Internet dropping every 20-30 seconds - ethernet, wired and wireless! Help!

LadyD

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Hi everyone, I realise similar topics have been broached before but I can't seem to find a solution so I thought I'd post my problem, including all the steps I have taken to try to fix it:

Issue:
Two weeks ago our ISP and Telecom company informed us that our lines will go down because they are upgrading our neighbourhood from copper lines to fibre optics. Within a few days, our internet was back but when trying to play online games we noticed that there was constant lag. Eventually we realised that the connection drops every 20-30 seconds for a few seconds and then comes back. The DSL and Internet indicators on the router do not turn off at that point. Running a continuous ping reveals that one packet loss occurs when that happens. It is very disruptive when you are making calls over Skype or trying to run a game/any continuous service. It is less noticeable when browsing of course because it is so brief.

General Setup and Observations:
We are two PCs, one wired, ethernet (desktop, Windows 7) and one on wifi (laptop, Windows 10). There is a splitter to allow the use of a regular phone line. I have run simultaneous continuous pings (to different addresses) on both PCs and the timeout happens on both PCs at the same time. The timeout is very regular, every 25-27 pings, it drops. No timeouts occur when pinging the router. The desktop is only a couple of months old, new build/installation. The laptop is a year and a half old, recently updated to Windows 10. These problems did not happen until our infrastructure was "upgraded" to fibre optics.

Troubleshooting Conducted:
- Changed the router, same thing
- Telecom technician came over, said all of the wiring was fine
- Telecom technician and ISP checked the cabinet close to our home, said everything was fine
- ISP technician came over, said everything was fine too
- ISP tried giving me a static IP (whatever that means!) and same thing
- Reduced MTU as I noticed package loss was happening in the standard 1500 (no idea if this is even supposed to help), same thing happened
- Removed the splitter and connected the line directly into the router, same thing
- Asked ISP to upgrade firmware of router, they said it was already updated
- Tried updating ethernet drivers, they were already up to date, according to Windows
- Disabled firewall both on router and Windows, same thing

I have been working now for 10 days with my ISP to solve this and they have explicitly stated that they cannot do anything else to help. After a lot of arguing and yelling, they agreed to compensate me by giving me a 3G mi-fi to use for the next couple of months until we hope our connection stabilises. Can anyone suggest anything?

PS. I am living in a developing country but the net really was fine and stable before this doomed "upgrade" happened!
 

Joe Porter

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Try bypassing the router and plugging directly into the modem. If you still drop packets then the only other things you can do are to try a new modem. If that doesn't work it indicates a problem outside of your line. As in there is nothing you can do to solve it except hope your ISP take your complaint seriously and get someone to find the issue at there end.

You could try and do a tracert in cmd to try and see where exactly the packet is being dropped.
 

LadyD

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But would that even help if I've already tried two different routers?

I did do a tracert. Don't have the screenshot now, but I can post it later today.
 

Joe Porter

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You might need to do a few tracert and try and capture where it drops the packet. If it is losing it at the same place every time it drops then it will indicate where the issue is and you might be able to show this to your ISP and get them to fix it.

Plugging into the modem will confirm there is no issue between the router and the modem.
 

LadyD

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Here are the results of some tracerts: https://goo.gl/photos/zxgwJHQJtJR5rUEq7

Will try to bypass the router now, not sure how to do it but I think I can figure it out. Do the tracert results help at all? I thought it may have been the fifth hop but I am not sure. EDIT: Sorry but I still don't see the point of this step if it's happening both on ethernet and wifi, on two different PCs and on two different routers. Could you please help me understand the point of bypassing the router?
 

Joe Porter

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Nothing unusual from the tracert

If you open up two command prompts and in one do ping -t 8.8.8.8 and in the other do ping -t xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (Your router address) leave them running. Do they both drop packets or just the ping to 8.8.8.8???
 

Joe Porter

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Unless it's your modem I really think you can't do anything else on your end. There appears to be a connection issue between your router and the exchange. If you can rule out your modem by plugging your Ethernet cable directly into the modem then it pretty much confirms it is an issue that the ISP should be solving not yourself.

Probably not the answer you are hoping for I am afraid.
 

LadyD

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Thanks Joe, I appreciate it.

Does the fact that the packet drops on the fifth hop in four out of six tracert attempts mean anything? Could the problem be in the fifth hop? Which, if it is, I really have no idea how to troubleshoot that.

By the way, I don't think plugging into the modem directly applies in my case as I believe my router serves as the modem and router combined. I see no place in the back of my PC to plug in any phone line. Of course, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm an amateur in all this.
 

Joe Porter

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IF your router is also acting as the modem then that's fine.

No I imagine that whatever device comes after 81.10.87.161 is configured to not respond to these kind of requests.

I'm no expert but I have a reasonable amount of knowledge in this subject and from everything you have tried and the information you have provided (Which has been very helpful and more than most posters!) I am sure that it is not a problem at your end.

The fact the technicians have checked the wiring at your house and confirmed it is fine and the fact that you lose zero packets between your devices and router/modem rules that out as being an issue. I am 99.999999999999% sure the issue is somewhere outside of your control.
 

LadyD

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Thanks Joe, at least I know I've tried well! I'm considering redoing the wiring of our flat's main phone line and the phone jack just to double check that everything is okay from my end. What's strange is that the drop is very regular, not sure if that sheds more light.

I was pleasantly surprised to have a Vodafone employee call me to tell me that they tried to do something else to fix it. Didn't quite understand what it was. Either way, it didn't work and the problem persists.

I'm considering switching ISPs but I'm worried it's an infrastructure issue and the problem continues even with a different company. If you have any thoughts on that, I'd appreciate it.
 

LadyD

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So a small update but I'm still nowhere near a viable solution and it has been over a month now of connectivity problems:

New observations that may be relevant:
- Our phone line went dead on two (maybe three?) different occasions in the last couple of weeks; this to me meant it could be a faulty line that may be impacting the Internet
- On one occasion, telecom called us back saying it has been fixed. As far as I know nobody came to the house to fix it but it may have been some maintenance around the area or at the phone exchange, not sure. During another occasion, the techie came over and fiddled with this box near the wall where the line comes out of. I am not quite sure what this box is, it looks like a splitter, only put against the wall and out of it comes the main phone line of the house. That's the best description I could say. He said something was wrong with it, and he fixed it. Brought a separate techie to ask him to rewire just to be extra sure, and he assured me there is no reason to do so and he refused to even do it because there is no need.
- ISP claims that Telecom is overloading the fibre optics cabinets with more than they can handle and this is impacting our service
- Researched and found new ethernet drivers and manually installed them, same thing
- Fiddled around with DSL modulation on router's setting as I became aware that different modes impact stability and nothing

Temporary alternative:
I discovered Speedify, a programme which mitigates packet loss and stops it from impacting your service by keeping a secondary internet connection as a backup to send packets through when the loss happens. This has really improved our situation but we still get serious lag and it is by no means a durable solution. Our ISP was kind enough to provide us with a mifi so that is our secondary connection but once its quota finishes, that will be more money down the drain and I imagine we will need to subscribe twice to Speedify to be able to have two PCs running with minimal packet loss. Just putting that out there for anyone that may find it useful until their solutions are fixed.

Other updates/actions taken:
- I have now escalated my issue with a governmental authority/watchdog which should hold the ISP and telecom accountable and take constructive action. Looking over this entity's statistics, I see that they usually get an 80-100% consumer satisfaction upon following through with telecommunications complaints. In terms of my ISP, they generally have a 100% feedback from customers, so I am hoping they are able to take constructive action soon this week.

- As distance to the telephone exchange impacts reliability of this type of fibre optics (i.e. FTTC), there is some indication from my ISP that the telecom company is not using the appropriate cables for this distance. According to Google Maps our distance to the phone exchange is 561 metres. I will try to push to fix that either by connecting us to a different cabinet or requesting proper infrastructure, somehow!

- I will also be asking my neighbours to test their connections and informing them how they can test their connections to see if they are getting a reliable connection. My relative, in another neighbourhood, is using the same ISP and has zero packet loss. We pay the same amount of money but my service is severely compromised, while theirs is flawless.

- If all else fails, I will have to initiate a full-on social media war on the ISP and telecom, including preparing information pages for users in this city to test their connections. So many people are not aware and are just thinking, "Oh man, Skype is just bad today." I will not stand for it!
 

DocSnu

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Any solution on her problem? I think my case is identical. We got area rewired in Dec'16 and after restart it is nearly impossible for me to play any online game. Since 7 month i am in touch with the ISP but no solution. I am close to give up so any hint thst i can provide our ISP to help would be great. The ISP technician is normally helpful and confirmed the issue before but could solve it.
 

ronpar

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I had problem with my Internet always dropping would have to go and unplug my router then plug it back in sometimes helped but not for long. I call my isp provider and they had to clear my data. They said it had to do with me say using wifi on my phone somewhere else then coming home and switching back to mine or using a vpn, they said I had to many ip address logging into my wifi is what it amount to. They cleared it, and it solved my problem! or You can refresh ip Yourself by doing the following
In Windows:
1. Open Start
2. Go to command prompt
3. Type: ipconfig press Enter
4. Type: ipconfig/release press Enter.
5. Type: ipconfig/renew press Enter.

Hope this helps You!