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Hi guys, i have simple question - wich one of these is better :
PNY Quadro K5000 4GB Video Card
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2 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Cards.
Im using :
Adobe Photoshop
Adobe Ilustrator
Maya
3DS Max
Autodesk inventor.
Tell me what do you think is better and why.

Thank you.
by the way my budget is 1600 u.s. dollars
 
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Titanx will surely be better in video editing than 980ti or even go for titan Z with 12gb of vram, unless you want to wait a bit till pascal comes out that will have even more processing power than current gpu cards
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Titanx will surely be better in video editing than 980ti or even go for titan Z with 12gb of vram, unless you want to wait a bit till pascal comes out that will have even more processing power than current gpu cards
 
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The programs must use GPU acceleration for that to be true.
 
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Nikola231,

In my view, the best GPU for your uses would be a Quadro. As the system needs to have the best capability for the widest range of applications. For example , Maya and Inventor have quite differennt needs.

Have a look at this 2013 comparison of GPU's: "Workstation Graphics: 14 FirePro And Quadro Cards" If you look at the Inventor DirectX results, a GTX Titan, GTX 690, and GTX 580 perform better than Quadro K5000. However, the K5000 still does quite well. But then consider the Maya OpenGL results where in one test. a $160 Firepro V3900 is three times faster than a Titan and nine times faster than the GTX 580.
The GTX is made for "good enough" image quality and high frame rates, whereas workstation cards run higher anti-aliasing- x64 instead of x16 which is especially important in Maya to have smooth textures. think image quality as compare to image quantity. There is also the issue of viewport support of Quadros and Firpros, double precision- important in animation of reflections and particles, and 10-bit color.

Also, be aware that Adobe CS and CS will not utilize multiple GPU's- it will recognize only one GPU even on dual GPU GTX, so plan on the solution being a single unit.

I'd suggest considering a Quadro M4000 8GB. These are about $800 and the 3D performance approaches a GTX 680, so gaming will not be the very top level, but still quite good. On Passmark the 3D benchmark is up to 7200 Quadro K5000 is up to 4400, GTX Titan X to 15000 on overclocked i7-6700K, 980 Ti to 16299.

If you're willing to consider a used GPU, well within your $1600 budget, there are low hour Quadro M5000 8GB and the top 3D rating is 9457 which approaches a standard Titan.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

Modeling:

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) > 32GB DDR3 1866 ECC RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555]
[ Passmark V9.0 Beta Rating = 5019.1 > CPU= 14206 / 2D= 779 / 3D= 5032 / Mem= 2707 / Disk= 4760] 3.31.16
[Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

Rendering:

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) (Revised) > 2X Xeon X5680 (6-core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 48GB DDR3 1333 ECC Reg. > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Logitech z313 > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (27", 1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3550 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)

 
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Thanks and coud you give me another build suggestion but for the budget of 3000 u.s. dollars ?
 
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"Thanks and could you give me another build suggestion but for the budget of 3000 U.S. dollars ?"

Nikola231,

The following system suggestion is based on a Xeon E5-1650 v3 (LGA2011-3) which has a very strong single-threaded performance for modeling, an ASUS X99 motehrboard that includes native M.2 slot, a very fast Samsung SM951 M.2 /Samsung 850 Evo /Seagate ES.3 disk, and a Quadro M4000 (8GB) GPU. The E5-1650 v3 has a Passmark single-threaded rating of 2119 where anything over 1900 is very good.

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1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 Six-Core Processor 3.5 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $565
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=E5-1650+v3

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. Motherboard: ASUS X99-M WS LGA2011-v3/ Intel X99/ DDR4/ Quad CrossFireX & Quad SLI/ SATA3&USB3.1/ M.2/ A&2GbE/ MicroATX Motherboard > $264

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X99E-WS

4. RAM: 32GB (4X 8GB) Samsung DDR4-2133 8GB/1Gx72 ECC/REG CL15 Server Memory> $228 ($57 ea.)

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8GB GDDR5 4DisplayPorts PCI-Express Video Card > $794.

____http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=PNY-M4000

6. Drive 1: Samsung 950 PRO NVMe Series 256GB M.2 PCI-Express 3.0 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND)> $182 (OS/Programs)
_____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ-V5P256B

7. Drive 2: Samsung 850 EVO Series 500GB 2.5 inch SATA3 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND) > $176 (Active Projects)
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ-75E500B

8. Drive 3: Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST2000NM0033 2TB 7200RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 128MB Enterprise Hard Drive (3.5 inch) > $135 (Storage /Archive /Libraries)
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=HD-ST20NM3

9. PSU: SeaSonic X-850 ; SS-850KM3 ACTIVE PFC F3 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply > $146

10. Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

11. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 > $181
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-A75

12. Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

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TOTAL = $ 2,689

Performance should be very good. An E5-1650 /X99 /32GB/ SM951(NVMe) system on Passmark:

System Rating: 5756
CPU :13998
2D: 867
3D: 6808
Mem: 2586
Disk: 12606 (This will not be as high for the non-NVMe SM951

Compare these scores to my 3D modeling system.

The E5-1650 v3 / Quadro M4000, X99, and M.2 disk make a fantastic combination.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 
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Will be disaster for gaming tho :)
 
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Proofy,

As a gaming and graphic card expert, you are uninformed in workstation graphics cards.

1. In the first, place, the system priority is:

"Adobe Photoshop
Adobe Ilustrator
Maya
3DS Max
Autodesk inventor.
Tell me what do you think is better and why."

In that list, gaming is not mentioned and the need to be able to run the specialized functions of those programs is the goal well before games are considered:

2. As cited earlier, in some Maya functions, an entry level Firepro is faster than a Titan costly 7X as much.

3. The Xeon E5-1650 v3 has a Passmark single-threaded rating of 2119. For an i7-6700 the rating is 2138 which has 50% fewer cores and 50% fewer threads. Would you agree that an i7-6700 would make a good gaming CPU? How about an i5-6600K at 2127? i5-4590 at 2122? i5-6600- 2105?

4. The Quadro M4000 system listed in the previous post above has Passmark 3D rating of 6808. The average 3D rating for a GTX 770 is 6148 and GTX 960 is 5943. As a gaming, graphic card expert who uses a GTX 770, would you agree that 3D performance better than a GTX 770 and GTX 960 would allow in a reasonable level of gaming?

What is a disaster is using expensive graphics cards for playing in places that are poor performing in priority working capabilities.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 
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Xeon cpu is fine but 980 Ti has a better chance of holding up in rendering than the Quadro would in fast motion. Quadro M4000 is strong in gaming as R9 380x, maybe a tiny bit worse. However what will be more future proof, quadro or gtx for gaming.
As for editing GTX 980ti will do a pretty good job apart from Maya where M4000 will destroy 980ti but other than that 980ti is not a bad choice.
 
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"Xeon cpu is fine but 980 Ti has a better chance of holding up in rendering than the Quadro would in fast motion. Quadro M4000 is strong in gaming as R9 380x, maybe a tiny bit worse. However what will be more future proof, quadro or gtx for gaming.
As for editing GTX 980ti will do a pretty good job apart from Maya where M4000 will destroy 980ti but other than that 980ti is not a bad choice."


Proofy,

Again, consider the list of applications. In photo editing, the Quadro's 10-bit color is essential for full quality, calibrated color correction, the x64 AA for 3Ds and Maya for smooth textures, color gradients, and reflections, as compared to x16Aa for GTX, and then there is the question of viewport stability in 3ds on complex models.

The issue is not which makes faster FPS, but which is capable of producing image quality by running special features. The workstation drivers just have a different emphasis and functions. It doesn't matter if a gaming card can run be or 5 things 2 or 5 or 10X faster it makes one workstation capability unusable, or so impossibility slow as in the case of a GTX in Maya. The GTX is OK for Inventor drafting, but will not be good- and possibly unstable for accurate thermal and gas flow simulations and a severe disadvantage in Maya as it compromises the use of a $5,000+ program that took months or years to learn. The user buys the program first and then finds the hardware that can do it. Should the OP buy a GTX 980 TI and then buy and learn a new 3D animation program to fit the things the 980 does better?

Think of this way, the workstation card is more or less guaranteed to be able to run every GPU function of every program reliably- including both making and playing games- on some level and at some speed whereas a gaming card doesn't. Features and reliability are far, far more important than speed in content creation. I tried a GTX 285 (2GB) in 2013 and I never had one successful rendering- there were either artifacts, or it would crash in the last few minutes. I changed for a Quadro FX4800 and had perfect results.

As well, I would maintain that the E5-1650 v3 / Quadro M4000 with a high single-threaded performance and 3D score higher than GTX 770, would run games really pretty well.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 
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