Do I need a bigger PSU?

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First off here is my pc set up:
Mobo: Asus m5a99fx pro R2.0
CPU: AMD FX-4300
PSU: Raidmax 800W RX-800GH
GPU: EVGA Nvidia GTX 750 ti FTW
RAM: Crucial ballistix Tactical tracer 8GB LED

My question is, do I need a bigger PSU if I were to upgrade my pc and have enough power to run 2 EVGA gtx 980 VR edition in SLI? I am also considering upgrading my pc with a new case to support liquid cooling and adding more RAM and a better CPU. Will my PSU support these upgrades safely? Or will I need to get a better PSU? Im just curious at this point, if it will handle one gtx 980 that will be fine.

Thank you,
Matt
 
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Honestly, for the price, looking at bang vs buck, and considering that you DO already have a motherboard that's capable enough for an 8 core FX chip (Do NOT even think about going with FX-9xxx series chips. They are extremely terrible, running hot and offering anything you can't achieve with an 8xxx series chip) then I'd probably say go that route.

Personally, no offense to Basroil, but I'd never, and won't ever, recommend that i5-6400 as even with it's newer architecture the substantially lower core clock seems to hamper performance to a degree that allows even same gen i3's with much higher clocks to outperform it.

Also, 32GB is a waste. Unless you're running some sort of VMs or extremely elite professional video or graphics...
No, you need a BETTER PSU.

But first, you need to learn that you'll be replacing ALL your components (you can keep the disks and maybe case) instead of just graphics cards

Here's an option:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.48 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.90 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $649.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-25 02:41 EDT-0400
 
First of all, your your CPU will severely bottleneck two GTX 980's, so you'd need to upgrade that as well, which you can do easily since that motherboard is fairly decent and supports all the FX-8xxx series chips.

Secondly, while the Vampire series units are supposedly not total junk like all the rest of Raidmax's power supplies, I certainly wouldn't trust it with a high end dual GPU card configuration, but it's capacity at 800w would be suitable for that configuration using any reliable model. Probably it will work, but I'd seriously consider a higher quality PSU for the sake of protecting your investment if nothing else.
 

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Thank you for the input. I've been running this set up for almost a year now, and I am realizing that its not powerful enough for some things. I'm just curious and wanting to upgrade while keeping some of the parts I already have. Its going to be a while until I have my new set up running, at this point I'm in the planning stages. I've been looking at a new case to start off with and I have a CPU already in mind. I plan on reusing my motherboard, optical drive, and hard drive.

These are what I have in mind,
AMD FX-8350
Cooler Master mastercase pro 5
HyperX Savage 32GB
 
Honestly, for the price, looking at bang vs buck, and considering that you DO already have a motherboard that's capable enough for an 8 core FX chip (Do NOT even think about going with FX-9xxx series chips. They are extremely terrible, running hot and offering anything you can't achieve with an 8xxx series chip) then I'd probably say go that route.

Personally, no offense to Basroil, but I'd never, and won't ever, recommend that i5-6400 as even with it's newer architecture the substantially lower core clock seems to hamper performance to a degree that allows even same gen i3's with much higher clocks to outperform it.

Also, 32GB is a waste. Unless you're running some sort of VMs or extremely elite professional video or graphics applications, you're not going to see any benefits from more than 16GB on any current game or the majority of applications. If you run Photoshop, Vray, CAD applications, etc., then 32GB might make sense or if you have or intend to have a virtual machine(s) configured.

Are you currently using the stock CPU cooler? Are you ok/onboard with overclocking the CPU. This is perfectly safe and has pretty much become a standard procedure when trying to get AMD FX processors to remain at least minimally capable when compared to stock Intel configurations.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($131.07 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim 67.8 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($49.90 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $322.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I'd never purchase an FX-8350 (4Ghz) when the 8320 is 20 bucks cheaper, can EASILY be overclocked to the same speed as the 8350 (And is the exact same CPU anyhow, just binned lower and configured from the factory with a lower base clock, easily rectified with a few bios setting changes) or even faster. I've only ever encountered ONE FX-8320 that I couldn't gain a 4.5Ghz OC with as long as a good board was used and that most likely was simply a case of bad luck. It still was capable of being clocked to the same speeds as the FX-8350 though, for twenty bucks less.

Some will say that the price difference isn't worth it since the cost of a decent CPU cooler offsets that, to which I counter that I wouldn't run ANY of these CPUs, without a capable cooler. I know the FX series chips are supposed to start shipping with the "Wraith" cooler now, but whether or not that unit is capable enough for overclocking with remains dubious to myself and others that I have discussed it with.




Choice of case is entirely up to you, but I'd pay close attention to little details like cable management features, tool-less drive bay sleds, fan mounting sizes and locations and GPU card/CPU cooler height/length clearances. Some cases, even very popular ones, can't support long graphics cards without removing some of the drive bays which may not be an option if you plan to have multiple drives installed.
 
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Matt_21

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I've been looking at cases the past few days and then came upon the Coolermaster mastercase pro5 and it has been built with the addition of liquid cooling in mind. I plan on liquid cooling later down the road but as of right now I'm just in the planning stages of this build.

I am running a stock cooler at the moment. I was mainly concerned about my PSU. Since this pc was my first build. And I was piecing it together based on some friends help.

Thank you for all the information and the recommendations have been helpful.
 
That EVGA B2 would be the least expensive unit I'd consider for a dual GTX 980 configuration. Honestly, it would make a lot more sense to just go with a single GTX 980TI which, although it won't have quite as much sheer performance as dual 980's, will not have SLI profile and driver issues on games not well optimized or optimized at all for it, plus it will use a much lower capacity power supply.

Also, it will have more VRAM than a dual 980 configuration, since the 980TI has 6GB of VRAM while two 980's are limited to a maximum of 4. It would also be SIGNIFICANTLY less expensive, because you'll save about three bills versus going with dual 980's. I think I'd still opt for the B2 850w unit though as it's only about four bucks more than the B2 750, which I don't understand but that's the way prices go sometimes. Somebody is probably currently having a sale on the 850w model.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($592.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $671.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-25 15:44 EDT-0400







 
That's a great PSU, but you mostly paying for Platinum efficiency, which means a LITTLE bit less heat and about a ten dollar difference per year on the electric bill, IF you use it a lot. Like 8-10 or more hours per day. Honestly, if you want a fully modular unit I'd go with this, which is probably just as good as that Platinum unit when it comes to internal component quality:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $119.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-25 21:44 EDT-0400