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Last time i tried to write one of these it got mostly ignored, so i'm gonna try again, but be a bit more specific about what i have tried, and my specs.

I'm running Windows 10

Gtx 970 Gaming 4gb MSI

i5-4690K Intel Processor

24 gb of Ram, with 4 sticks. The main ones being Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Tactical 16GB

Mobo: Z97 Gaming 3

I have a cx500m PSU

My OS is installed on a Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 2.5" 120GB, and i install my games on a Seagate Barracuda



Technically this pc should be quite good, but i'm getting below the performance put in Benchmarks for games like Arma 3, CSGO, Payday etc. Im usually sitting around 40-50 fps in ArmA in an area with no AI, and around 25 in areas with over 10 AI at the same time. I usually get around 200fps in CSGO, which is way below what even a bad processor would be able to get with a 970.

I've have tried multiple times to reinstall the drivers of the 970, and tried to reinstall both the Processor and Motherboard drivers. I have also reinstalled my OS, none of which seemed to make any significant difference.

Last summer i updated everything in my pc, except the SSD and my PSU. My old specs were a gtx 680 and an i5-4590, with 8gb of ram. My fps has only increased by about 30 in CSGO, which is much less then i would expect from this big a hardware change.

There is no overheating, and i have checked for memory leaks, which there seem to be none off. I have also deactivated power saving mode and such small things. I've been through dozens of threads with all the different problems, and tried them all. If any of the people reading has got any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. I have really tried everything i could come up with, aswell as taking out the components and testing with the old ones, which just made things worse. Thank you for reading, and i really hope you can help

Tl;dr:
Performance problems, gtx 970 and others performing below expected performance. Tried reinstalling drivers, but no luck. Any help?

 
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DasHotShot
I built an almost identical build for a friend fairly recently and he has similar CSGO performance.

Having put a stable overlock on the CPU and GPU actually made quite a difference and this could be something you should look into.

However I believe the main area you should focus on, is the optimizing of settings in all the games you mention. There are detailed guides for most of them. Little things like putting "-high; -threads <number of cores/threads>;" in the launch options can improve performance in some cases (though usually on lower end machines. Furthermore not just making everything "high" or going through the list and adjusting stuff to what you "think" might be good, rather looking into the effect each setting has before...
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You were ignored because you don't have an issue and many people tend to come into the forum posting about such non-issues.

Let's start with CSGO. This is a game which draws HEAVILY off the CPU and is very very light on the GPU. Therefore since your processor upgrade was almost not an upgrade (4590 -> 4690K in most games is 0% difference) you got exactly the amount of extra FPS you should be. Your old system is basically exactly as cpable of running CS as the new one, so don't expect any change there. 30FPS is almost too much change. Also it doesn't sound like you use a 144Hz screen, nor does it sound like you dip below 200 a lot...so what is the problem? (Improve your aim, stop worrying about getting more than 200FPS)

Arma 3. This game is both heavy on the CPU and to an extent GPU. It's a game which requires patient and precise set up. You can't just slide stuff up and hope that it will handle it. This is a game which will force 99% of common gaming PCs to their knees, often due to non or poor setup. Read some guides online as to the changes and settings that are good to win some fps and enhance your experience.

Be clear about one thing, your PC isn't ever going to crush Arma 3. It's an i7 eater, so with similar single thread speed (compared to your old CPU) you will always have limitations (which you can counter as I say above).

I doubt you are having problems in Payday 2 as this is another light game and it will be due to an oversight in settings if you are getting any low fps or have accidentally turned vsync on etc.

When I see you are running 24GB ram...with your "main" sticks being 16GB (therefore using 2x4gb sticks just for the lols) my eyes hurt. You need 8, 16 is nice to have for gaming. Please do yourself a big favour and take out the other 8GB, if you plan to OC your system.

I think your perspective on your old build vs your new build is somewhat skewed and your expectation is based on missinformation. Though you have certainly UPgraded, the spec different isn't a quantum leap and will only provide better performance in some graphically intensive games.
 
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Thank you for the response. Im very new to the whole aspect of building Gaming pc's and such, as i've always just bought a pre-built one. The problem i have is the fact that it's so unstable. I've tried different settings in both arma and payday. My problem is the fact that payday goes from 30-100, and arma being extremely unstable, sometimes dropping to 20 when i usually run it at 40 with all settings on low and view-distance on 1600 overall.

I just feel that this is below even what missinformation would bring me to believe. Since you are obviously informed on this subject, would you be able to tell me what kind of improvement going from an i5 to an i7 would bring? In csgo i don't get stable above 200 fps. I get average 200 fps. I usually drop to around 130-160 in most firefights, which hurts my performance. I do have a 144hz monitor just so you know.

I have indeed noticed that it's usually the processor taking the hit when playing games, but i feel that my processor should be able to handle csgo at atleast a stable 250. Like i said earlier, how much would you think the improvement would be if i upgraded to an i7 processor, or am i just being a bit dumb here, and looking to waste money? By the way, as i am new to this; What is the reason for not using a second set of sticks? Does it bring down the performance of the 16gb ones, or is there any other reason? I will take them out, i'm just curious to why. Thanks again for the quick response
 
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I built an almost identical build for a friend fairly recently and he has similar CSGO performance.

Having put a stable overlock on the CPU and GPU actually made quite a difference and this could be something you should look into.

However I believe the main area you should focus on, is the optimizing of settings in all the games you mention. There are detailed guides for most of them. Little things like putting "-high; -threads <number of cores/threads>;" in the launch options can improve performance in some cases (though usually on lower end machines. Furthermore not just making everything "high" or going through the list and adjusting stuff to what you "think" might be good, rather looking into the effect each setting has before doing so.

Here to start you out:

CS:
http://blog.nzxt.com/2015/11/how-to-optimize-your-csgo-settings-like-a-pro/

ARMA 3:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=385577681

OC 4690K
http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics

OC 970:
http://www.pcgamer.com/how-to-overclock-your-graphics-card/2/
 
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Not that i think of it having part of your "issues",you mix ram if i'm reading right which might result into problems.
For most systems,gaming for sure,is 16gb enough,if that amount is from two sticks just use those and take what other sticks out.Make sure XMP is enabled for best ram setings.
With two ram sticks is there also less stress on the memory controller which should be better as well.
 
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