Nvidia's GTX 1080 vs the 980Ti

Steven Jiang

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So as we all know Nvidia revealed the GTX1080 which boasts twice the performance of a TITAN X, including the GTX 980Ti. Now, I have a GTX 980Ti, and the price of the GTX 1080 seems to be a sweet deal. The question is: Should I sell my 980Ti while its price is still high and buy the 1080 with the cash, or should I pass on this one and wait for volta? Should I buy another 980Ti and run in sli now that the launch of the 1080 will cause its price to drop?
Just a discussion, and I want to know how many people are out there facing this dilemma...

Why didnt Nvidia milk the 980Ti dry though, it still has so much potential and yet they still pushed for the 1080...
 
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considering the point in the video that the 1080 will most likely throttle hardcore, even at stock speed temps, the comparison between 1080stock vs maxwell overclock doesnt become completely invalid, since they overclocked nicely,
ofc aftermarket coolers on partner boards might well fix this, but the fact that a reference card, throttles that much in testing done inside a case, should be of concern, could be a sign that the card gets extremely hot as is, and could be worse with partner OC, even with aftermarket coolers trying to even it out

ofc a lot of speculation until we see aftermarket coolers cooling performance on the Pascal to see how tehy handle overclocks, but still something to keep in mind i think

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I asked the exact same thing a few hours ago and the thread is still on the front page. They release new cards annually because it doesnt make financial sense to 'milk a card dry' as they would rather have idiots like us buying new ones every year.
 

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2x the performance of a titan? hardly, http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/05/06/geforce-gtx-1080/
in VR maybe, but thats it, and its a 980 they compare in performance, the titan comparison is a in power consumption,, and definitely not 2x the performance of 980ti

please stop speculating, and wait for proper 3rd party reviews and benchmarks and comparisons are out,
would be sad if it turns out the 1080 is only 10-20% better than your 980ti
since the 1080 is only like 70% better than 980 in witcher3 and tomb raider, on dx12 even, not dx11

wait for 3rd party test, and cross check a couple, not just 1
 

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i strongly doubt Nvidia is gonan make the 1070 faster or better than the 980ti (vram size aside), because that could end up with monumental backlash, and its not like they did it before either
as it stands the 1080 is not even that much better than 980ti, but we have to wait for 3rd party test to confirm exactly how much
but i strongly doubt 1070 would touch a 980ti, it just wouldnt fit the upgrade patterns of the past, not to mention all teh 980ti consumers that would rage on Nvidia for it ;)

 
NVidia already stated 25% faster than the GTX980Ti.

NVidia already stated the GTX1070 is a bit faster than the Titan X (did they mean gaming or VR, because there's some confusion on this topic).

Regardless, the GTX1070 will be pretty close to the Titan X and GTX980Ti. We'll have better feedback later as said.

And...

My GTX680 is still treating me nicely. I'm baffled by people who buy a great card and aren't happy with it because the next thing is launching soon.

There's also GSYNC monitors which eliminate the issue with achieving a specific frame rate.

Some guy was upset because his 2xRadeon Duo Pro (four GPU's) at a cost of $3000USD can't do 4K at 60Hz in all his games and wants to know what to do... uh, go for a walk and forget about computers for a while?

Anyway, my points:
a) avoid multi-GPU (or know what you're getting into at least)
b) next GPU upgrade must be significant to bother
c) wait for nice reference card
d) learn to TWEAK games properly
e) GSYNC if possible
f) appreciate what u got!
 

Steven Jiang

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What I have in mind. I guess I'll wait for volta then. I'll just watercool my 980Ti and get more juice out of it.
 

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What I meant by milking it dry is that Nvidia releases the mid tier graphics cards like 1060 first, then move on to the big cards like 1070 and 1080 towards the end of the year(like what they did with the gtx980). I understand that the 980Ti was released around the same time frame(in June) last year, but it was after they released the flagship titan x in March.
 
So here is a benchmark of the 1080 vs AMD's Radeon R9 Fury X - BUT bear in mind it is only for Ashes Of The Singularity.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-gtx-1080-directx12/

Also check this out: -

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-dx12-benchmarks/

It's quicker than the R9 Fury X and a 980 Ti - but not by a HUGE amount on 'AOTS'.

But this is a game that uses DX12 and relies on Async Compute. Something the Pascal architecture doesn't do very well.

Perhaps DX11 benchmarks and other games writtten to expoilt Pascal properly will see a bigger performance increase?

I will wait and see but Polaris (when released) should give us some interesting benchmarks..... I will certainly wait until AMD have released their next gen before deciding what to buy.
 

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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-dx12-benchmarks/
"On Extreme settings, the GeForce GTX 1080 scores 7200 points with an average FPS of 74 whereas AMD’s top dog, the Radeon Pro Duo scores 7300 points with an average FPS of 75. Overclocked Fury X and GTX 980 TI do scores of around 1000 points lower than the GeForce GTX 1080 with averages in the 60ish range"
"only"/barely 25% better than a 980ti, and thats on 1080p even
and DX12, where the 980ti is usually considered a bit hampered
colour me not impressed ;) far from "2x titan performance"
and lowering settings the performance difference gets even smaller,
im doubting gtx 1080 is the 4k GPU that it was touted to be

since it might be better than 2x980 in SLI, but lets be frank the 980 was a potato, and its not hard to outshine that.. and since sli is 50% scaling on average and usually 80% at best, doesnt exactly make it that impressive..
 


Yes it's a surprise to me.

Nvidea seem to be suggesting that the 1080 is massivley more powerful than a Titan X. Considering the GPU core runs at >2000 MHz I expected more in AOTS to be honest. Price-wise though it is still very tempting. :love:

But maybe we need to see more benchmarks. Perhaps Hitman and Forza 6. What other DX12 stuff is out there already? Not much anyways.
 

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yea thats definitely true, price to performance wise its amazing even if the "comparison performance" isnt as as super scifi hype amazing as hoped, the Pascal price point (if it sticks) is insane
it might "only" be 25% better than a 980ti in that benchmark, but considering its also cheaper than a 980ti there isnt really anything to complaint much about as such ;)


 
Did you watch the launch? Nvidia are the ones who said almost 2 times the performance of the titanX so dont be rude.



 

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didnt think i was being rude, just pointing out some stuff that by Nvidias own statements gives cause to reconsider that titan remark, which is most likely marketing hype ;)
since their own test i linked shows it doesnt hold the 2x titan performance across the the board and thus kinda makes teh statement useless
since thats teh catchphrase it will going under "1080p = 2x titan "
which by the looks of post on teh forum many are buying into
so marketing goal accomplished ;)


http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=224&sort=a8&page=1
i see them for less than 600 with discounts and promos, the standard MSRP seems to be a tad above 600, which is then above the 1080s projected launch price
again, we ofc cant be sure that will stick, but thats the price we got now
 

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Hmm, from what I learnt, gtx 1070 peak performance is 6.5 teraflops, while gtx titan x has 7 teraflops, and gtx980 has 5.3 teraflops. So nvidia's claim of gtx 1070 being faster than titan x may not be true. But still we must wait for online reviews.
 
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Pretty sure they said 2x performance of reference 980, not the Titan or 980ti. I might be wrong tho
 

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2x the performance than a 980 in VR not plain gaming.
I have a 980 so if it were 2x better i would be getting a 1080.:D
Right now speculation is at 60-70% faster than the 980 in gaming.