i7-6700k vs. i5-6600k Amongst Other Things

BlitzkriegOPS

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Which is better for a gaming build with game creation on the side. (I'm going to post-secondary for computer science with a specialty in game design) Also worth noting that I'm not rich and I'd like to keep the build as cheap as possible, especially with the ridiculous difference between the Canadian and US dollar's. So between $1000 and $1500 CAD seems like a decent range to go by. I'd like this PC to last me the next 4-5 years if possible. Here's the build below:

i7-6700k / i5-6600k

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler

Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

A-Data XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory

Sandisk Z400s 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card

BitFenix Shinobi Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case

Cooler Master 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)

Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer

Asus PCE-N10 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter

Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan

LG 23MP55HQ-P 60Hz 23.0" Monitor

The SSD is optional, I just thought it would be nice to have a faster boot-up and play time if possible. I also already have an external 1TB hard drive so general media storage is not a concern.

I don't care too much about having the best possible graphics, so long as the frame rate is decent and smooth. The only reason I'm getting a GTX 970 is because I'm almost certain that none of the games coming out in the next few years will be able to support a 960. I'm also cool with swapping out the NVIDIA GPU with an AMD GPU, I've just found that they've been less reliable in the past. The motherboard is only crossfire compatible as far as I've seen so swapping makes more sense, but I don't think I'll be doing that as it's just a bit fancy for my needs from what I know.

If someone sees any other potential problems within the build please let me know, I'll likely be making the purchases around the first or second week of June.

Thanks for any help that can be provided!
 

lakimens

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Well, just for gaming, I'd say the 6600k is enough, but since you're gonna be doing other stuff, I'd say 6700k.
Design programs can really utilize the extra threads, and will make everything faster, if you're rendering stuff, it's gonna be much faster than 6600k.
One problem I see is the PSU, since you want to keep this for 5 years, I'd suggest a higher quality PSU, Seasonic S12II, M12II, S12G(google psu tier list).
For the SSD, get an SSD, but get a Samsung 850 Evo, they are proven to be high quality and last long.
Second week of june, you'll be able to purchase the GTX 1070/1080, so keep that in mind, the 1070 should be around the same price as the 970, while the 970 drops a little.
I would recommend the G.Skill Ripjaws V, they're pretty fast and don't cost a lot.
If you overclock, I recommend you get a better cooler, NH-D15 or PH-TC14PE.
 

BlitzkriegOPS

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The problem here for me is cost, my absolute max is $1500, so I have a bit of give here, but not much. If I end up having to give up something due to going over my budget, what should I give up? I was thinking the RAM as it's relatively cheap and can be replaced without having to swap out other parts (as long as they're still compatible with DDR4).
Is it better to get a M.2 SSD or should I stick with a 2.5" SSD? The only problem with an M.2 SSD is that apparently the motherboard M.2 slot shares bandwidth with the SATA ports so using it would disable one of the SATA ports (so the website says).
For the PSU, should I get a full, semi, or non-modular PSU? All the reviews I've seen say that Full is better but more expensive, so perhaps Semi would be alright. What would you say would be the best of the tiers to aim for with regards to price and longevity? After reading your post, I was thinking Gold might be alright, but better to know from someone more knowledgable than I.
I assume by cooler you're referring to the CPU cooler and not the Case Fan. Speaking of which, none of the videos/guides that I've come by have said how to install an extra case fan, which I would most likely require for overclocking.

Thanks for the help!
 

lakimens

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Well, the S12G is a tier two PSU.Medium cost, very good quality.
Installing case fans is as much as screwing them in place, just make sure you buy the right size for your case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($72.58 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($192.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.17 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($75.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-N10 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 23MP55HQ-P 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($146.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1537.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-08 20:26 EDT-0400

You can't get it better than this.
 

BlitzkriegOPS

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There's a small detail I guess I didn't highlight well enough. I live in Canada, where the prices on everything you've listed are anywhere from $2-$200 more expensive. Therein lies the problem, which is why I've stuck with the build I have so far.
I do agree that the CPU cooler could be better than the one that I've currently chose, however the massive price increase from the current one to the NH-D14 is relatively astronomical, and the current cooler is well rated and reviewed, the only problem with it really is the noise and it may not be quite as efficient. The NH-D14 is priced at $95 in Canada, and the Asus MAXIMUS mobo is actually around $250. If there is a CPU cooler that is cheaper than the NH-D14 but is still fairly good, and a motherboard that is cheaper but still decent, those would be useful things to know.
Overall the price for roughly the exact same machine in Canadian dollars is actually $1815.57. Way over my max budget, and considering that I may have to get a laptop to take notes in class, this won't work for me I'm afraid.
I did use your model to downgrade my PSU from the SeaSonic S12G 650W model to the 550W model so that was useful. I don't plan on using SLI and the size of the case would likely make that impossible anyway, so the upgraded mobo is of no use in that regard but it might be more reliable.
I currently have almost no need for an internal hard drive as the I already have an external one of the same capacity, if I did get one I could get away with a much smaller one because of this.
You may be right about using 16GB of RAM as opposed to 8GB, especially if I'm making computer games, it will also help ensure that the PC will still be able to run games several years later.
The GPU that I originally had was cheaper than the one you've used here and was factory superclocked as well, hence the extra case fan oriented in such a way as to provide extra cooling power as necessary.
I'm not sure if I really want to, but I might have to look at a PC case that's bigger and easier to take apart as well, so that drives the price up too. I'm still looking into that but I'm also still looking to keep the price on that below $100 CAD if possible. The one that I've seen a lot of people using is the Phanteks Ethoo Pro, it looks like it could be decent but it's around $140 CAD. I guess I might have to make do with what I currently have at that price though.

Thank you and I appreciate your time and effort in helping a novice PC builder get his act together!
 

lakimens

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I adapted the build for Canada.
Got to the same price point.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($301.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($69.90 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($139.88 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($98.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($60.15 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card ($399.99 @ DirectCanada)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.88 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($117.62 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($17.75 @ Vuugo)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($115.00 @ shopRBC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-N10 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($22.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: LG 23MP55HQ-P 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($48.88 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1552.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-09 18:38 EDT-0400
 
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BlitzkriegOPS

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I may need the i7-6700k for my game design, otherwise I agree.
Do I really need an internal HDD? Especially since I already have an external one, though that doesn't help with the installation of programs.
Why use the Gigabyte GTX 970 vs. the EVGA one that I had originally picked? The EVGA one is cheaper, and already superclocked.
I've been looking at other mid-size cases and apparently the Corsair 200R is also rated quite well. I read that there were cooling problems with the Shinobi, so I was wondering if I paid $20 more for a better case, I could skimp a little bit on the CPU cooler and get something under $50. Extra cooling is never a bad thing but do you think it would make a difference?
Other than those, I think this build is, in theory, coming together quite nicely!

Thanks again!
 

lakimens

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It's only $20 cheaper and I don't like getting the cheapest, that's just me, you could go for it.
The Corsair 200R has a good rating, but I don't know it's price in Canada.
If it's $20 more you could get the EVGA 970 and get the 200R, so it comes at the same price.
If you're overclocking I would say you need this cooler, if you're not, you can get anything you want.
 

BlitzkriegOPS

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The 200R is $70 in Canada, and upon further searching I also found two other cases which could be just as good and a little bit more inexpensive to boot. One is the "DEEPCOOL TESSERACT SW Mid Tower Computer Case with Side Window and 2 Blue LED Fans SGCC+PLASTIC+RUBBER COATING" and the other is the "DIYPC Solo-T1-R Black USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case with 2 x Red Fans (1 x 120mm LED fan x front, 1x120mm fan x rear) Pre-installed". The latter is only $5 cheaper and apparently some of the reviews I was looking at said it looked cheaply made and that it might be a bit too small for some graphics cards, but I'm pretty sure most of this was based on the limited available data. Only the former case was actually reviewed in writing and video to my knowledge. Both however are recommended by credible channels on Youtube, the Tesseract was reviewed and recommended by HardwareCanucks, and the latter was recommended but not reviewed by Techsource, but it was used as part of a budget build video by him and seemed to be roughly the same as the Tesseract. I've currently chosen the Tesseract as it was the only one of the two listed on PCPartPicker.ca, but if I'm shown enough evidence aside from price I might go with the Solo T1-R. Both are listed on Newegg.ca so I could get either one. What do you think?
 

BlitzkriegOPS

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I just looked again, and I happened across the Zalman Z11 Plus. The few reviews that I've seen of it are mostly good, really the only issues with it are the molex cords for the two side mounted fans and the two front mounted USB 3.0's are just extension cords that hook up to the motherboard. While I'm not sure how to deal with molex cables, the extension cable shouldn't be too bad. The case also happens to be $39.99 Canadian, so that seems like a good price and from what I can tell it's actually bigger than the previous two cases. Do you know much about this case, you might see something I don't. So far though, it's between those three cases. Which of those three cases would you pick?