gtx 1080 overhype

dangus · May 9, 2016

am i the only one who's not assessing my bank account in anticipation for the gtx 1080/1070 launch? i know that nvidia has stated the 1080 is going to be faster than 2x 980tis and blah blah blah...but i just can't believe that til i see it. the graphs in their presser showed, from what i can tell, performance-per-watt increase. not straight gaming performance increase....which is what everyone really buys these cards for...

PLUS nvidia knows very well that release a card thats 2x in performance to the current generation will cut in to their future sales. its all about incremental increases for them...and AMD for that matter....

what do you guys think? am i being a loser for not drooling over nvidia talking their latest and greatest card up?

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

They never said it would be faster than 2 980Tis.

lodders · May 9, 2016

Only reason to upgrade a GPU is if you are playing a game on medium settings,
and it is "ruining your enjoyment of the game because ultra settings are so much cooler"

dangus · May 9, 2016

turkey3_scratch :

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-launch/

it's right in the title of that article plus i heard the CEO on stage say that it was faster than 2x 980ti im pretty sure. im not watching that presser again to be certain but yeah...they did

EDIT: Nvidia CEO's words...."the GeForce GTX 1080 is not only faster than one GeForce GTX 980 but it crushes two 980s in SLI setup."

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

No he said faster than SLI 980 not 980Ti.

Twigman · May 9, 2016

On stage the CEO said '980s in SLI', not 980ti. Wish it was faster than two 980tis in SLI though...

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

It won't be faster than 980 SLI, that's all just marketing hype or a statement that revolves around some extremely specific cherry-picked application.

dangus · May 9, 2016

Twigman :

okay well fair enough. that's def what he said

dangus · May 9, 2016

turkey3_scratch :

back to exactly why i typed this post

dangus · May 9, 2016

i'd be very impressed and appreciative of nvidia if all this hype was true, but i just can't believe it til i see it. but everyone else seems to take nvidia at face value

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

dangus :

It's nothing to be impressed about. With a die shrink to 16nm and architectural improvements, they have the ability for 5X performance over Maxwell but choose not to intentionally.

Dugimodo · May 9, 2016

No point speculating, wait for the benchmarks.

c4s2k3 · May 9, 2016

If you don't feel you need to upgrade, then no, there is no excitement whatsoever. Just another tech product update. If you are like me, who is looking to upgrade 700-series GPUs this year, you are probably at least paying attention to reviews and such. I'm a little excited because it will be a noticeable performance increase over what I currently have, though I'll be waiting until the fall to see what the Pascal Titan-class card looks like before I pull the trigger.

rhysiam · May 9, 2016

Here's what Anandtech have accurately and extremely sensibly stated: "NVIDIA’s own performance marketing slides put the average at around 65% faster than GTX 980 and 20-25% faster than GTX Titan X/980 Ti, which is relatively consistent for a new NVIDIA GPU"

Nvidia referenced one particular GPU related task which was twice the performance of a Titan X, but they are absolutely NOT claiming that in overall gaming performance. The problem is that various sites, including here at Tom's Hardware (shame on them!) are spouting that line without the context and a bunch of people are actually expecting double fps of Titan X/980ti... it's nonsense.

All in all though, when the actual 1080 (as in not the overpriced "founders edition" - which looks like it's launching first) comes out, it will offer pretty solid performance at a decent price for a high end card. But it's not game changing by any stretch.

USAFRet · May 9, 2016

dangus :

No you're not. But there are people already wondering if it be available to order at 'midnight on May 27'...
(midnight, being a variable concept)

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

VR will see more improvements since Pascal has hardware optimizations for VR.

redgarl · May 9, 2016

Only two weeks to wait to see what the 1080 will be made of. I am expecting a 20% fps increase over the 980TI, not much more. If it's around 40% over a TI, than I am buying one and even the founder edition just to thank Nvidia to provide the first 4k single card on the market.

redgarl · May 9, 2016

rhysiam :

Read the same thing and I agree with anandtech on this one. Anyway, AMD is also releasing their card around the corner before summer. It's quite an interesting time. Probably E3, they did that last year.

dangus · May 9, 2016

Well put rhysiam. The people who are raging a bone over this release I feel are the ones who havent been in the pc game long enough to understand how gpu releases work I guess. Its been quite a long time since I saw a 2x performance improvement from one generation to the next. Itll probably be the same as the 680 to 780 which was very solid but not revolutionary by any stretch

Jonathan Cave · May 9, 2016

My thoughts;

1080/1070 hype is causing the enthusiasts to sell their maxwell cards cheap.

I'm buying a 2 x 980 Ti's tomorrow for £600/$864 - which is what i estimate the cost of a single 1080 will go for here in the UK. 2 weeks ago i sold my EVGA 980 ti for £450, bought a 970 for £125 then sold that on for £190 = £515 in the bank.

There are already benchmarks on AOTS which show the 1080 only being 9 - 13% faster than the 980 Ti.

source: http://www.mobipicker.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-directx-12-benchmarks-async-compute/

"The entries include two resultions, 2560×1440 and 1920×1080, both of these ran at the “Crazy” graphics preset. The GTX 1080 was 13% faster than the GTX 980 Ti and 11% faster than the R9 Fury X at 1920×1080. At 2560×1440 and the same preset the GTX 1080 was 9% faster than the GTX 980 Ti and 11% faster than the R9 Fury X."

These of course are leaked benchmarks and not using pascal drivers i'd assume...? anyhoo.... I think nvidia have typed this card and people have been sucked in. I'd rather have 2 x 980 Ti's for £600 scaling 60/70% than a 20% 1080 for similar money.

I also think nvidia shafted every single maxwell owner with the 1070. Who would buy a 970/980/980 ti/ Titan X new at todays prices? no-one! all nvidia owners have lost out due to a $379 out performing a $1200 card reducing the value of their 'used maxwell cards'.

The used market is going to be saturated with cheap 970's - 980 Ti's so grab yourself a bargain unless you want to game at 4k you need pascal.

dangus · May 9, 2016

Hmmm those are dx12 benchmarks in only 1 game though. I dont see that as a good enough sample size to go out and sell my gpu and and form conclusions. Interesting though nonetheless

Jonathan Cave · May 9, 2016

Thats why i sold my 980 ti before the hype train arrived, coupled with the fact that a single 980 ti struggles at 4k... 30 - 50 fps usually.

TJ Hooker · May 9, 2016

Now I'm starting to wonder if Pascal vs Maxwell will really be all that much different than Maxwell vs GTX 7xx. I.e., the 1070 will be around the same performance as the 980 ti (much like 970 vs 780 ti), with the 1080 being somewhat - but not hugely - stronger (like the 980 vs 780 ti). Obviously only time (and benchmarks) can tell, but if that's the case I'll feel a little bad because I've recommended numerous people to wait for Pascal to be released with the idea that it would be an atypical jump in performance from one generation to the next.

turkey3_scratch · May 9, 2016

TJ Hooker :

Same, I also made that recommendations. And the only cards available at first will be $100 extra.

rhysiam · May 9, 2016

turkey3_scratch :

It'll be interesting to see for sure. I think it's pretty clear that Big Pascal (GP100) with its 15.3Billion transistors is going to be a massive jump over a 980ti (8 Billion transistors), whenever it's released in consumer cards. But as long as Nvidia can sell as many GP100 chips as they produce in Tesla cards, they'll be marking far higher margins and there will be little incentive to put them into a Geforce card.

The 1080 actually has fewer transistors than the 980ti (although the latter is partially disabled), so any performance gain is going to come from architecture and process shrinks, we're not going to see a massive gulf between the two.

If I'm remembering correctly this is looking a lot like the 670/680 release, where a smaller/second tier GPU was released to the high end, leaving space for the monster Titan above it, with very high margins for Nvidia. We had to wait a long time for the 780 and later 780ti until the larger GK110 GPU finally made it into a standard (i.e. non "Titan") graphics card. We may well see a similar play from Nvidia this round, unless AMD can force Nvidia to move sooner.

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