I'm desperate - What is wrong with my PC build?

Plauer

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So...
After I saved a budget of 1000€ I finally went through the hardware world and picked my PC parts. But before I bought it, I wanted to discuss it with other people so I posted it into a forum. But they are going just completely ham onto me.
They've called it the worst PC build ever... And I would accept that, if I would get the reason for it.
... However I don't, so I thought I should ask for help into another forum.


That's my build.


First up:

What will my computer be used for?

I want to use it for playing the lastest released games, like Division, but also "classics" as CSGO. I want to record scenes on max. settings in CSGO, or best possible at least to put them toegether in montages. (I won't record other games.) Also I want more or less a huge storage, since I don't play games for long until I change to another. So I always have lots installed. Also I have a pretty huge music and video collection. The data should all be saved to my PC (as it was on my old one). Therefore I already have an additional +3TB external storage. In addition to that I want a Blu-Ray-Reader, that I'm not forced to watch all my Blu-Rays on my TV. Don't judge me, I enjoy watching them with my computer a lot more more.


Especially the CPU was the part to blame...

in the other forum. So ist that really true?

They reasoned it by a post from the german site pcgameshardware.
But I'm not sure about that one. As I learned by the post from Teksyndicate the AMD CPU will perform better on the higher resolutions. But pcgameshardware is just testing on 1.280 x 720. Also lastest outcomes seem to be capable of using more than 4 cores, aren't they?
Because the newest games never recommend 4 cores anymore... But that could just be a wrong thought. (And it propably is.)

Also an i7 seems to be far to expensive, so I would need to stick with an i5. However if I'm recording with an i5 it would decrease the ingame experience a lot, wouldn't it?

Also the post from Technologyx seems to be showing, that the AMD doesn't stink that much even compared to an i7 monster.


Would it be worth to wait for the upcomming Nvidia series?

If I'm looking into it right now AMD graphics cards seems to be better, judged by performance/price. So i thought the outcome wouldn't really affect me.

Am I wrong? I noticed a slight advantage of the AMDs in many benchmarks. But if you are playing games, which teamed up with Nvidia as Wolfenstein Nvidia seems to make a big jump into the right direction.

I'm really not sure, what's the right choice to make here. So I sticked with the solution, that for me seemed to have the best price-performance-rate.


I am from Germany so it would be really gentle of you, if you could compare the prices of your country to mine for example via choosing Germany as your country at pcpartpicker. However providing another list in another currency is better than nothing and I could still do the price comparing, if you don't have the time for that. :)


And I wanted to state, that I'm nothing like an AMD fanboy. I'm completely okay with using other brands' stuff. I never owned anything of AMD, but it just seems to be the best choice here.


Thank you very much in advance for your answers,
Plauer.
 
Solution
The are several reasons why your build is not optimal. If the rig is used primarily for gaming, you shouldn't consider anything other than an Intel processor. The single tread performance (important in games) is much better (not slightly better) and will easily outperform the AMD. The FX 8350 would likely be a bottleneck for the 390X graphics card. Perhaps the biggest reason to not use the FX is that it's a dead platform with no upgrade options.

The power supply is very poor quality and undersized for a 390X. It probably wouldn't live very long trying to run it. You would need a good 700 watt or larger PSU for that card.

The case? If you really like the looks of it, you could use it. But again, the build quality is lacking.

Bottom...
The are several reasons why your build is not optimal. If the rig is used primarily for gaming, you shouldn't consider anything other than an Intel processor. The single tread performance (important in games) is much better (not slightly better) and will easily outperform the AMD. The FX 8350 would likely be a bottleneck for the 390X graphics card. Perhaps the biggest reason to not use the FX is that it's a dead platform with no upgrade options.

The power supply is very poor quality and undersized for a 390X. It probably wouldn't live very long trying to run it. You would need a good 700 watt or larger PSU for that card.

The case? If you really like the looks of it, you could use it. But again, the build quality is lacking.

Bottom line, for the same money you spent on the AMD build, you can have better gaming performance, better efficiency, and an upgrade path. Use the onboard graphics of the i5 (HD 530) until you can get one of the new GTX 1070/1080 cards. This rig would be powerful enough to easily run games at 4K.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€197.99 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€69.06 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (€69.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: PNY CS1311 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€117.84 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€70.88 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case (€55.77 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: XFX TS 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€67.06 @ Mindfactory)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (€79.66 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €728.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-14 13:44 CEST+0200
 
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Plauer

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First I want to thank you, for your answer.

Are there any benchmarks showing the massive performance advantage of the Intels? Everybody is talking about it, but noone wants to show it to me. :/

Why do I need a better PSU? According to the manufacturer I have 120W too much, already.

Can you really run games with the oboard graphic? My last PC had an i7 @3,4GhZ already using Hyperthreating and the onboard couldn't even handle Minecraft?

What is so promising about the new Nvidias? Especially in comparision with the AMDs and consindering the price....
 
With the PSU, quality is what's important. Cheap PSU's are made with cheap parts, are sometimes poorly designed, and may lack certain safety features. They often don't even output their advertised rating. They fail more frequently and may damage other components when they do. There's a reason for the disparity in price between them and the better one's.

The HD 530 graphics are OK for light gaming, but you really need a dedicated GPU. I didn't include one above since the GTX 1070 is coming out next month and would be the ideal solution for you. See the the Pascal megathread to see what all the buzz is about. Basically, the 1070 will have performance similar to a GTX 980 Ti, for only $379.00 USD. The PSU listed above will be more than sufficient for the suggested build I used.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKR04WMP9sw

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
 

Plauer

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May 14, 2016
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First,
thank you again. You are the best help I've had in a while.

But I've still got some more questions:
As I said I want to record scenes from CSGO in a really high quality. Will I still be able to do this with an i5?
If not, will it be worth to save up more money and finally invest it into an i7? Or would that be better in general?

What's wrong about my case?

And I guess I understood the problem with the PSU now, but didn't you do the same "mistake" at your build?

 
I think the i5 would work fine for what you want to do. Would the i7 be better? I guess that would depend on whether you intend to do some serious editing, streaming, etc. The case is a subjective matter, and for the most part, doesn't really have an impact on the rest of the build. The only thing i mentioned about the Raidmax case is that the build quality isn't as good as other cases in the same price range.

The XFX TS 550 is a quality PSU (Tier 2) made by Seasonic and one the best ones you can choose in that price range. Don't confuse the amount of watts or the efficiency rating of the PSU with quality. There are plenty of poor, higher wattage Gold rated PSU's on Tom's chart.
 

Plauer

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May 14, 2016
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Thank you really much. :)

I guess this will be the best solution on a budget right now:

This

But I will wait for the new Nvidia series... So I will just spent this time without a PC and by then see if I have enough money for a better CPU (buying something like a XEON instead of i5).