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Hi guys,

I started a while ago a new pc build project(for gaming, CAD, FEA), after posting it I got some hints and I found out that I have to do a better research. At the moment I have no idea what to pick for CPU.

Most of my research was done for this configuration:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6ngfMp
Regarding this build: I noticed in reviews that i7 4790k is good performer, the Hyper 212 is much lighter than the Noctua and still performs well for OC, the MOBO has all I need with a 5 year warranty, the RAM has the lowest CAS in the picking list, the SSD and HDD are top quality in several reviews, I did not find any mounting problems with the case and the other components, the PSU will cover for a second 980ti if needed in the future, not sure if the mouse and keyboard really worth that price. The monitor is a big challenge cause I want a G-Sync, 1440p, 144HZ. I was considering an IPS but customer reviews demolished all available models. I saw there are also some flaws on this model but all seem to have a solution.

Since I want my build to handle well in the next 5 years I made this similar config:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hMxv8d
I am not sure if for this one if the MOBO is the best solution but I noticed that the total price is similar with the other config. So should I pick this configuration?

Some more research and I find about this 5820k with 6 cores and made this config:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jXt2Q7
On all forums everyone is saying that 5820k is not for games cause no game will use all the cores.. maybe in the future. I only worked with Xeons for CAD applications and I am not very sure if all the cores were used most of the time.

So what CPU and MOBO should I pick? (4790k vs 6700k vs 5820k)
Any monitor worth considering over DELL S2716DG?
 
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Your research is outdated. If you're paying that kind of money for last year's hardware you're doing it wrong. For Autodesk / Solidworks etc, I would personally choose the 5820K, but that is going to be replaced relatively soon with the 6800K. This would be a much wiser use of $2K especially for Autodesk software:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG A80 128.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.50 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 OC Formula EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($253.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($199.99 @...
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Your research is outdated. If you're paying that kind of money for last year's hardware you're doing it wrong. For Autodesk / Solidworks etc, I would personally choose the 5820K, but that is going to be replaced relatively soon with the 6800K. This would be a much wiser use of $2K especially for Autodesk software:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG A80 128.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.50 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 OC Formula EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($253.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($85.79 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($117.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($161.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Other: MSI TwinFROZR V GTX 1080 ($599.99)
Total: $2118.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-17 00:24 EDT-0400

Keep in mind that there's new GPUs coming in two weeks, and new CPUs in a couple of months. The extra wattage on the PSU is for going SLI in the future. And then you can add whatever monitor, OS and peripherals you want.
 
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I do not agree buying the latest releases cause of the high price due to marketing and also they do not seem to worth it. I also prefer other people buy them and test it before I purchase it :). Thank you for mentioning the GTX 1080, not yet in shops in Europe but has nice specs. Pcpartpicker dont include that in the list so I have overlooked that.... as you said they will be released in 2 weeks.
I do not want liquid cooling in the system.
I have an additional 4TB external storage unit with only 1TB free space left so the storage units you mentioned are to small for me.
I checked again and the 5820k core number, the cache and clock speed(OC to 4GHz) will meet my requirements. I only found this 6800k from AMD...no go.
I was hoping that Pcpartpicker takes in consideration the chosen configuration under full load when validating the PSU and the entire config. I will keep in mind your recommendation for the PSU.
This configuration is for gaming also not just CAD so it must perform well on both.
Why did you pick that type of RAM?
Thank you!
 
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Although I can find less information about Catia and Ansys, AutoCAD and Solidworks are almost entirely single threaded. Therefore an i7 6700K would be a much better choice than a i7 5200K unless you are doing nothing but rendering (even then, it would be a toss up unless you were to go to the 5930K.) Generally you would want a Quadro GPU, but since you will also be gaming, I think you will need to go with a non-Quadro GPU. The Red drives that you chose are for NAS- you want a Black drive. You can pay more for the Trident RAM, but you won't gain anything. Some games may benefit from faster RAM, so I set you up with 2800 at only 1.2V. The Ripjaws V has been formulated specifically for Skylake.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-AutoDesk-AutoCAD-134

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Solidworks-150/Hardware-Recommendations

http://www.computeraideddesignguide.com/best-solidworks-graphics-card/

http://www.ozeninc.com/ansys-system-hardware-requirements/

http://www.ozeninc.com/products/hpc/gpu/

If you want links about RAM for gaming, let me know.

Here is your build with those changes:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII RANGER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($162.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme Pro 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($348.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Black 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($273.05 @ NCIX US)
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 800 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Dell S2716DG 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($524.00 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair STRAFE RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($93.95 @ Amazon)
Other: Cryorig H7 ($35.50)
Other: GTX 1080 ($600.00)
Total: $2867.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-17 09:12 EDT-0400

The Ranger is very similar to the Hero, but without the fancy lighting effects.
 
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But paying $2K or more you should always buy the newest hardware. Don't compromise. Get the latest and greatest and that will ensure system longevity especially for long run usage. But marketing isn't always going to add to the cost. It might initially but overall the prices of Broadwell-E aren't going to add anything to the cost of what's available now, maybe save for the i7-6950X, but few users will have a use for a $1500 10 core CPU.

I do not want liquid cooling in the system.
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But there's also better coolers that you can get than the Hyper 212 Evo. Try a Cryorig R1 or Noctua D15, or a Phanteks TC-12 or TC-14. The Hyper 212 Evo was a good cooler in its' day, but there's far better ones that have come along since then.

I have an additional 4TB external storage unit with only 1TB free space left so the storage units you mentioned are to small for me.
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That's fine. You can always add more storage as you need it. I would go for a much faster primary drive like a Samsung 950 Pro for Autodesk usage.

I checked again and the 5820k core number, the cache and clock speed(OC to 4GHz) will meet my requirements. I only found this 6800k from AMD...no go.
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That's a much lower end CPU. :lol:

I'm referring to the new i7-6800K which will replace the i7-5820K: http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-e-core-i7-6950x-6900k6850k-6800k-listed/

I was hoping that Pcpartpicker takes in consideration the chosen configuration under full load when validating the PSU and the entire config. I will keep in mind your recommendation for the PSU.
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No power supply wattage calculator on the internet takes those factors into consideration. PC Part Picker's is generally one of the more accurate ones, but even that fails to take into consideration how a quality PSU performs under full load vs. what a junker PSU would. The EVGA G2s are some of the best of the best, I have two of those power supplies and they have held up extremely well under full load.

This configuration is for gaming also not just CAD so it must perform well on both.
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Just because it's not workstation hardware doesn't mean it will not run workstation applications. I guess you could run a Xeon E3-1275 V5 for that purpose but your configuration will look totally different.

Why did you pick that type of RAM?
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Price, and performs well when full XMP is enabled.

If you want a workstation build here's an idea of what that could look like:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1275 V5 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X150-PLUS WS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($132.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($102.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($180.78 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($273.05 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7000 4GB Video Card ($618.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.95 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1986.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-17 11:00 EDT-0400
 
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Your 1st config is similar to what I have in mind at the moment http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/XLCYP6 so thats why I picked it as a solution.
Regarding to what you mentioned:
1. Marketing is ALWAYS included in the price, that is why they get a monthly paycheck. All the products(top rated) have a price diagram on Pcpartpicker and that shows you how much is invested in marketing on the release day and closely after.
That is why I prefer the win-win situation when other people buy them and test it before I purchase it at a lower price.
2. I agree with you those are nice air coolers but I have a problem with the weight of those. I am considering the Phanteks TC-12 that you have suggested but I still have to do a little more research on that. Anyway for OC to 4GHz and i7 6800k all coolers will do.
3. I will add a M2 later.
4. Thank you for the link for the i7 6800k.
5. PSU will be picked considering the actual power usage of SLI 1080 GTX. Since this Pascal generation is developing who knows if SLI 1080 GTX will be worthy.
6. Considering the price for this config I am not expecting the applications to just run, they must run smoothly and as smoothly as possible for the next years to come.

Thank you again for the info!
 
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You will not find to much useful info regarding the CAD and requirements because all CAD software have different modules for different applications and each of them behave differently. For example at work I have no problems with an older Xeon using Pro/E or Creo2 until I do a loading simulation. When I start to do the simulation I am mostly killing time... good thing those are not required to often.

Thank you for your config idea.. I prefer the extra cores and the bigger cache of an 5820k or 6800k.

 
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I understand what you are saying based on your experience with different programs. One reason that I like the Puget recommendations is that all of them are backed up by actual testing that they have performed. It's not just guesstimates, but based on solid data. Building workstations for multiple clients, they get a lot of first hand knowledge about what works best. The problem with the 5820K in many applications is the slowness of the cores. If you clicked on the middle tab for computer recommendations on each of those links, you will see that both AutoCAD and Solidworks are primarily single threaded and the i7 6700K is the recommended CPU for each based on actual testing. It seems unlikely to me that many other similar programs have been optimized for multi-threading when these two have not.
 
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I am now considering the i7 6800k and the GTX 1080, waiting for those to be released. I have seen some system requirements for Catia and compared some quadro GPU with the GTX 1080 specs and this will perform well. I have seen your links and I am not saying that 6700k is not a good solution.
I want at least 6 cores for the next 5 years... nobody can say if they will be useful for gaming or CAD(higher clockspeed, cache and core number will help anyway).

 
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Regarding what u said I found this: http://www.comparecpus.com/en/why-to-buy-intel-i7-6800k/comparison-408-407-995 .Taking that in consideration it seems there is a lot of info missing regarding those 2, to early to decide if we got a winner.
The i7 6700K is the best processor for AutoCAD and Solidworks in that review you gave me when it was compared only with small clockspeeds Xeons. I also saw a comparison between 4790k and 6700k: http:// . Other reviews showed that in fact those perform well on different applications one better than the other but none clearly superior on this case either.
I really appreciate your help and I am aware that my CPU pick is a gamble.
 
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True, the 6800 and 6850 have been announced, but I haven't seen any testing on them yet. I would expect some improvement over the older 5820 and 5930 however.

Thee are multiple Xeon chips available including ones that are similar to the Haswell-E models (5820, 5930). They do a boatload of testing at Puget which you will see if you click on the Resources > Articles tab at the top. I'm sure they sampled multiple configurations until they could identify a trend. I don't see anything to indicate that they only sampled "small clockspeed Xeons". They do excellent testing there and provide some of the best information available on the internet.

The 4790K to 6700K comparison that you linked is only a benchmark. That only gives you an estimate of how it might perform with certain software. The gold standard is to actually run the software with the chip, which is exactly what Puget does.

I haven't seen anything which would contradict the testing that Puget has done. If you believe it, then you know that Solidworks and AutoCAD are primarily single threaded. So if the programs are rewritten in the future to utilize additional cores, you still have 3 additional cores on the i7 6700K which can be recruited in to full use. As it stands, your assumption is that within the next year or two the programs will be re-written to significantly utilize more than 4 cores (because if its done in the 4th year you will have suffered for the first 4 years to see improvement only in the 5th year) and/or that other programs that you use will run so much better on the 6 core chip that it will be worth the sacrifice to have lesser performance in AutoCAD and Solidworks. Maybe you would just like to own a 6 core chip irregardless of performance?
 
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:) you are a hard nut to crack :) not that I would like to change that...
I am not saying that Puget testing results are not good. I have read in one article that they compared 2x Xeons with the 6700k and the second place in results is the E5 2620 with only 2,4 GHz(that is why I mentioned small clockspeed Xeons).
In my opinion a 6 core CPU with 15M chache OC-ed to 4-4,5 GHz it is a good choice cause I will have 2 extra cores for any application that MIGHT need them. I also saw the Puget OC comparison: http:// . With this comparison I can say that my loss in performance is negligible.
 
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With single core frequency being paramount, I'm not sure why overclocking would not result in a significant improvement, however, they do state regarding Solidworks:

Also, we do not offer overclocking on our recommended systems for Solidworks. In our testing, we found that overclocking only introduced a marginal improvement in performance that is not enough to outweigh the risks associated. We can overclock by request, but to handle the cooling and power requirements a configuration different than our recommended systems is required.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Solidworks-150/Hardware-Recommendations


That was a good link that you provided which I had not read recently. One interesting point that they made was how much they thought the new architecture of the 6700 contributed to its mostly better results. If you are not in immediate need, I think that bodes well for the 6800K and 6850K which I assume will be available soon. Maybe wait for testing on these chips before deciding.
 
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