Public Appology and Chipset Confusion

Hello all,
There was a post about building a budget gaming system... I'm not gonna get into specifics but I seem to have a different idea of what components are acceptable than the rest of the people responding to said post. I'm not linking to the post because I don't want people going there and calling me (or those against me) out on our builds, which would fill up the comments even more. I'm not trying to say that I'm right and everybody else is wrong, and I'm not trying to say that I'm wrong either, I'm just looking for information.

Point being, we were suggesting the barebones for a build for OP of the other post (he already has a GPU, so it's not in the parts lists), and my post was called out on for being too low and not good enough for gaming. Here was another user's build and my build. I'm wondering what the major disadvantage of using H110 on a budget system is.

So here's what I'm looking to clear up...

First: I thought that on Skylake, the first (primary) PCIe slot goes straight to the CPU instead of going through the chipset, which would make the H110 chipset acceptable for a low budget system. I got called out for using the H110 chipset (again, not blaming people or pointing fingers). Am I wrong about the first PCIe slot going straight to the CPU?

Second, what does DMI3 mean on the Intel spec sheets for Z170 and H110?

Third, I would like for someone to put together a hierarchy of Skylake chipsets for gaming so that this confusion doesn't happen again. Please include all of them, not just Z170 and H110.

Fourth, I would like to clear something up for myself. I would like some information on the affect of clock speed on gaming vs the affect of thread count on gaming. I thought that clock speed was more important than core count as long as you had at least two cores.

Now for the part you've all been waiting for. I'm sorry for causing so much confusion across the forum because of my apparent low level understanding of the differences between Skylake chipsets.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to help out. I'm open to all forms of constructive criticism.
 
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No need for an apology brother, we are all performance-fanboys here remember.. ??

First of all, you asked " Am I wrong about the first PCIe slot going straight to the CPU?" -- no the simple and straight answer is you are ABSOLUTELY right.. The PCIe slot is directly connected to the cpu.. Whether it is H or Q or B or Z, You can clearly see all the 100 series direct CPU-to-GPU PCI-E connect..

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Various differences -- 100 series chipset..

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Direct Media Interface (DMI) is Intel's proprietary link between the northbridge and southbridge on a computer motherboard. Even the 4th gen Z97 boards had a DMI 2.0 CPU-PCH inter-connect, can anyone say that GPUs or HDD/SSDs...

Tradesman1

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The first PCI-E slot is indeed to CPU and is x16 on both the H170 and the H110.

The DMI version varies - Z170 and H170 both use DMI3 (8GT/s) while the H110 uses DMI2 which is 5GT/s.


There's the Z170, H170, H110, B150 then the 'business' chipsets Q170, Q150, Q110 alsothere's the C236 and C232 PugetSystems did a nice piece on them here:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/


Clockspeed vs Core count really depends on what and how you do something as far as performance goes (within a given family of CPUs), If thinking like AMD vs Intel clockspeed doesn't mean a lot. a 4.4 4770K/4790K (hyperthreaded) will trump a 4.7 9590 in most anything- where on a 4690K (simple 4 cores) it will still beat an 8370 or 9590 in most all things until you get to something like rendering where the AMDs 8 cores can play in and give them a minor edge
 
Nothing wrong with the chipset you selected. It's not being used for overclocking so the chipset isn't going to have much of an impact other than ports.

Personally I always go for a G3258 for a budget build. Easily overclockable to the speed you have that i3 and a fraction of the price.
 

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No need for an apology brother, we are all performance-fanboys here remember.. ??

First of all, you asked " Am I wrong about the first PCIe slot going straight to the CPU?" -- no the simple and straight answer is you are ABSOLUTELY right.. The PCIe slot is directly connected to the cpu.. Whether it is H or Q or B or Z, You can clearly see all the 100 series direct CPU-to-GPU PCI-E connect..

Airdlho.jpg


Various differences -- 100 series chipset..

eYD82Iv.jpg


Direct Media Interface (DMI) is Intel's proprietary link between the northbridge and southbridge on a computer motherboard. Even the 4th gen Z97 boards had a DMI 2.0 CPU-PCH inter-connect, can anyone say that GPUs or HDD/SSDs suffered a performance degrade in the Z97 series.. Even today, the i7-4790K is better than the 6700K in 1 or 2 niche benchmarks..

The only thing is, H110, being the more budget-oriented chipset, can only power 4 SATA drives and can have only 10 USB ports (4 of which can be USB 3.0)..

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/
 
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