Upgrading GPU, quick question.

astraeos · May 25, 2016

Alright...So I've recently begun to encounter a problem with my build, I need to upgrade my graphic cards. I'm currently running two AMD Radeon R9 270x (crossfire'd) and have begun to encounter errors such as "your rendering device has been lost".

Now a little bit of a back story... I only recently added the second graphic card. My first GPU is almost 3 years old, it began to kick the bucket around the time I got my second GPU. (my monitor was going black with a bunch of lines on it every so often). I swapped the new GPU to the main slot which seems to have worked. I'm not sure if the older one can be causing the problem I'm having. But If it is that means I'd be down to one GPU which isn't near the power I'm looking for.

My case doesn't have the best ventilation, at least for having two graphic cards close to each other which is causing them both to not get the cool air they need during the high intense gaming moments.

I'm thinking the simple solution to my problem would be just to buy a new GPU thats more powerful then both the 270s I have combined. Unless there is some way I can fix this without needing to upgrade my rig.

I currently have a AMD 8350 black edition CPU, Upgrading to a FX-9590. I was thinking of either a R9 390x or a GTX 980 (maybe a 1080 when it comes out). I want a GPU that can run most new games at high graphics without hurting fps much. with my current build, I can get 90 FPS average on overwatch (the most recent game I've been recording my FPS on)

Chugalug_ · May 25, 2016

Get the 1070 when it comes out, or alternatively wait till it comes out and grab a maxwell card on sale.
Will be much better bang for your buck as a pose to buying now.

azaran · May 25, 2016

Sounds like that older card is likely giving you the problems. Ditch it and see if the problems go away. If nothing else it'll narrow down if the issue is that or not. As for replacing it, wait till the benchmarks on the 1080s come out and see where the price for performance hits.

Starcruiser · May 25, 2016

It sounds like your older (now secondary) GPU is going out all right. Either that or your PSU. When does the error pop, which games? If it's mainly games that can use CrossfireX that will help narrow it down.
A 390X or a Fury X would be a good low-hassle upgrade for you. Not all games support CF/SLI so you'll get much better performance in those ones.
Make sure your Motherboard can handle a 220 Watt CPU before you take that upgrade and burn out your entire system.

astraeos · May 25, 2016

Is there any ETA on when the 1080 will be releasing?

Chugalug_ · May 25, 2016

azaran :

1080 benchmarks have been out for a while, and give performance 30% higher than the 980ti and Titan X.
The 1070 is just more powerful than the Titan X, making that the go to option for value.

azaran · May 25, 2016

Chugalug_ :

Oh my mistake. I haven't kept up on the latest reviews this week. I'd only seen potential benchmarks so was waiting for it to hit the shelves for real life reviews.

Starcruiser · May 25, 2016

Chugalug_ :

Those benchmarks are done by Nvidia though. I wouldn't trust the manufacturer benchmarks. They like to bend curves a bit. Review site benchmarks are better actual performance indicators.
Wait... Found one site that got the founder edition early.
http://www.roadtovr.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-benchmark-review-performance-head-to-head-against-the-980ti/2/#standard-benchmarks

azaran · May 25, 2016

Starcruiser :

Yeah looks like real reviews came out a few days ago.

astraeos · May 25, 2016

Starcruiser :

I have a Gigabyte AMD 990FX mobo, I looked it up and people say it can support it.

Edit: The problem only started a week ago, the only two game's I've played since then have been Overwatch and H1Z1, both of which have given me the error.

Starcruiser · May 25, 2016

Which 990FX board is it exactly? That's the Northbridge model number. The full number will be in BIOS.

maxalge · May 25, 2016

astraeos :

Alright...So I've recently begun to encounter a problem with my build, I need to upgrade my graphic cards. I'm currently running two AMD Radeon R9 270x (crossfire'd) and have begun to encounter errors such as "your rendering device has been lost".

Now a little bit of a back story... I only recently added the second graphic card. My first GPU is almost 3 years old, it began to kick the bucket around the time I got my second GPU. (my monitor was going black with a bunch of lines on it every so often). I swapped the new GPU to the main slot which seems to have worked. I'm not sure if the older one can be causing the problem I'm having. But If it is that means I'd be down to one GPU which isn't near the power I'm looking for.

My case doesn't have the best ventilation, at least for having two graphic cards close to each other which is causing them both to not get the cool air they need during the high intense gaming moments.

I'm thinking the simple solution to my problem would be just to buy a new GPU thats more powerful then both the 270s I have combined. Unless there is some way I can fix this without needing to upgrade my rig.

I currently have a AMD 8350 black edition CPU, Upgrading to a FX-9590. I was thinking of either a R9 390x or a GTX 980 (maybe a 1080 when it comes out). I want a GPU that can run most new games at high graphics without hurting fps much. with my current build, I can get 90 FPS average on overwatch (the most recent game I've been recording my FPS on)

the 9590 is not an upgrade, avoid at all costs, way to many issues with throttling

many a person has posted here of their problems after "upgrading" from a 8350

max with a 8350 is a gtx 970/390 and even then the cpu would bottleneck

if you want an gtx 1070/1080 you would need to jump to an i5 build

astraeos · May 25, 2016

Starcruiser :

Gigabyte AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX DDR3 1600 AMD - AM3+ Motherboards GA-990FXA-UD5 R5 not 100% sure if thats it

Starcruiser · May 25, 2016

Looking through the reviews I see a lot of people having issues with that board. Here's a relevant one:
"However, AMD tells me that this board does not support the (9590) processor - but Gigabyte says it does..."

1/5 people rated it at 1 star. Run far away. Don't look back. Don't even try to get a 9000 working on here.

astraeos · May 25, 2016

Starcruiser :

I've been considering swapping to Intel for a while because Their processors are much stronger and it seems they also have better mobo.

I'm thinking of getting :
Intel Core i7-4790S Processor
ASUS Z97-PRO GAMER
and the 1080 once it comes out of course.

maxalge · May 25, 2016

astraeos :

it saves you on the price of ddr4 memory, so its not a bad choice at all

if you are getting a non K processor you should be looking at h97 based mobos

azaran · May 25, 2016

astraeos :

Is there a reason you're wanting to go with an S series CPU? Seems odd to want to go with a lower performing chip that costs more.

Chugalug_ · May 25, 2016

The 9590 is not a good choice.
If you're going for a CPU in that price range, hands down go for the i5 6600k or i5 6500.
AMD simply is not a good choice in the higher end market, the only CPUs from them I would recommend are the mid/low range AM3+ CPUs, and thats only on a tight budget.

astraeos · May 25, 2016

azaran :

astraeos :

Is there a reason you're wanting to go with an S series CPU? Seems odd to want to go with a lower performing chip that costs more.

I dont know much about intel CPU's, which would you recommend? I'm looking for something under $350. The reason I was going to do the S is because its on sale

Starcruiser · May 25, 2016

The K (unlocked) edition is normally $350. Here it is for less on sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369
Or the next step down, the standard version at $310: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116987

azaran · May 25, 2016

astraeos :

There are various types of chips, you'll see them ending with things like K, S, T, etc.
If you really want to know about the whole mix of them, check out this link
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html

For the ones that you'll likely see.
K = Unlocked and generally more expensive than the non K models. You can overclock these chips, but need the right chipset on the motherboard. Generally also at a higher clock speed than the non K version of the chip. Ex i7-4790K 4.0Ghz vs i7-4790 3.6Ghz

S = Performance-Optimized Lifestyle. Marketing speak for lower power requirements, but also slightly lower speed. Ex. i7-4790 3.6Ghz @ 85watt vs i7-4790S 3.1Ghz @ 65watt

T = Power Optimized Lifestyle. Marketing speak for much lower power requirements, but also much lower speed. Ex. i7-4790 3.6Ghz @ 85watt vs i7-4790T 2.7Ghz @ 45watt

As for which one you should go for.

If you're going to for an i7 I'd honestly say The i7-4790 or I7-4790K. Normally if you're not going to overclock, the few Ghz of speed difference between a K and non K doesn't end up being a huge thing. But if you can find a good price and only throw a few extra bucks more at it, the K does give you a bit of a speed boost.

If you don't need the multi threading of the i7 you could go for an i5. Most games are single threaded so you could save some cash and not lose out on a whole lot in terms of performance. The i5-4590, i5-4690 and i5-4690K, would be the one's I'd look at.

Both the i7 and i5 in the Haswell lineup have a ton of options. I picked those out because (speed aside) they were part of the refresh cycle Intel did that addressed some heating issues the earlier chips had.

You don't need a Z series motherboard to use a K series chip, an H series would be fine, but you can only overclock or go SLI with a Z series board.

astraeos · May 26, 2016

azaran :

astraeos :

There are various types of chips, you'll see them ending with things like K, S, T, etc.
If you really want to know about the whole mix of them, check out this link
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html

For the ones that you'll likely see.
K = Unlocked and generally more expensive than the non K models. You can overclock these chips, but need the right chipset on the motherboard. Generally also at a higher clock speed than the non K version of the chip. Ex i7-4790K 4.0Ghz vs i7-4790 3.6Ghz

S = Performance-Optimized Lifestyle. Marketing speak for lower power requirements, but also slightly lower speed. Ex. i7-4790 3.6Ghz @ 85watt vs i7-4790S 3.1Ghz @ 65watt

T = Power Optimized Lifestyle. Marketing speak for much lower power requirements, but also much lower speed. Ex. i7-4790 3.6Ghz @ 85watt vs i7-4790T 2.7Ghz @ 45watt

As for which one you should go for.

If you're going to for an i7 I'd honestly say The i7-4790 or I7-4790K. Normally if you're not going to overclock, the few Ghz of speed difference between a K and non K doesn't end up being a huge thing. But if you can find a good price and only throw a few extra bucks more at it, the K does give you a bit of a speed boost.

If you don't need the multi threading of the i7 you could go for an i5. Most games are single threaded so you could save some cash and not lose out on a whole lot in terms of performance. The i5-4590, i5-4690 and i5-4690K, would be the one's I'd look at.

Both the i7 and i5 in the Haswell lineup have a ton of options. I picked those out because (speed aside) they were part of the refresh cycle Intel did that addressed some heating issues the earlier chips had.

You don't need a Z series motherboard to use a K series chip, an H series would be fine, but you can only overclock or go SLI with a Z series board.

Thats really helpful, thanks a ton!

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